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Location: Manitowoc, WI | Well, this should really liven up the board!!!
But, it is my opinion that the rules governing culling should be thrown out. Plain and simple.
This is a perspective of one who just wants the right to keep or throw back whatever fish he catches.....whether it's while fishing with my family for fun or in a tourney.
LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!
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| Anglers who fish tournaments already get to cull. They get to put fish in the livewell, take them to the weigh-in, and then release them. According to Wis law, if it goes in your livewell, it is part of your bag limit and cannot be released. |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | JP,
That's one way of interperting the law, but I don't agree with your logic. Based on what you are saying, all tournaments should be catch and keep.....is that correct? |
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| No, I don't think they should be catch and keep. I should have said it is a form of culling because you cannot upgrade and release fish. But you are releasing fish that have been placed in your livewell which a non-tournament angler can't do. |
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Location: Milw, WI | Jerry,
I belive that you can tell which fish is going to make it.
And can catch and release many fish un harmed.
But 90% of the public fishing can not.
They do not even know what they are fishing for, just ask them....
Fish is the answer.
They would pull small fish off a stringer to keep a larger one.
Have a hard time getting some people to put fish back during the closed season.
I.E. 2 years ago stopped buy LaBelle to see what was biting.
One guy shore fishing had a basket with a 4 lbs smallie in it.
Told them that the season was not open, resp. you ain't the law.(cell call)
A few years back at my favorite lg. bass lake.
A retal boat came in and showed us his 3 man limit of jumbo perch.
He and his two kids had 150 7-12 in lg. bass, not one perch.
Told him what they were, big arguement resort owner came down
And backed me.
Guy dumps them all back in......
About 20 were floating then and there, how many lived, only the
turtles know for sure.
Another time we were in Lime Kiln park grafton.
Guy fishin , stopped to see whats biting...Perch..
He had a basket full of smallmouth bass (7-10in).
Aurgement....guy throws the basket in the trunk and drives off.
"#@"plates on the car.(cell call)
I can go on and on with examples like this that I am witness to, how many unkowns.
Just can not let it become a meat hunter type rule out there.
Think what they did to the good old days.
Personally I think there should be a test to get a fishing License.
With a phyc. profile as part of the test. |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | JP,
Why can't a non-tournament angler release his/her fish after they are caught and placed in a livewell? The law says you must count them as part of your daily bag limit. It doesn't say that once thy're in your livewell that you have no right to relase them, if you wish. Once they're in your livewell, they are yours to keep or release. No different than a tournament angler letting his catch go after a weigh-in. |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | Richfish,
Your examples are examples of people who need to be made aware of laws and how to identify fish. Culling/sorting would not do anything either way for these people. A culling law wouldn't do anything for someone who cannot I.D. a perch or small largemouth bass, and the current no cull law doesn't do them anything either.
I do agree with the need for more education, but I don't think today's laws do anything to deter the double dippers and overharvesters. |
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It's the same old story:
Tournament angler makes decision to keep fish.
Tournament angler catches bigger fish, but can't keep it.
Tournament anlger gets frustrated and blames DNR for his decision to keep early fish.
The truth of the matter is these "uniformed" fisherman will catch one short of their limit and continue fishing. As they catch larger fish, the smaller fish get thrown back, regardless of their condition.
Or maybe it's not a matter of a selfish person, but a person who just doesn't know that the fish will die. A badly hooked or badly handled fish has a high probability of not making it.
The rules are fine as they are, and it is only selfish tournament fisherman who want the changes. Not that I'm saying your selfish jerry... |
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| Jerry, Jerry, Jerry....I read the title to this thread and your post...and can't stop laughing...(Not at your opinion but rather the topic and what your doing to get people active on the board...it's a good one)..Although I don't have time this am to read all the responses..I'll wait a bit to see others opinions. I think I have voiced my position on this one well enough that people know what I think! I'm looking forward to everyones input!
Good Luck
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Location: Neenah, WI | NO CULLING!!!!!!!!!! Part of tournament strategy is making up your mind whether to keep a fish or not. We had this backfire on us in the 2001 Otter St. tourney and quit both days at about noon and took 29th. The fish just kept getting bigger and before we knew it we had 10 in the box. I think weekend anglers are looking for fish to eat and should keep what they want for home but shouldn't swap fish in their livewells due to the fact that they may not survive. At least in tournaments the unreleasable fish go to the needy. |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | Heres an answer that will twist your mind. The most culling I do is on the rivers I fish with clients. If we're near to our daily limit and catch a nice 17 to 19 inch male eater, any bigger fish I think is a viable spawning female and still in releasable shape, gets taken out and released. I call it transverse culling.  |
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| Gerry
I went back and read the regulations again. I always assumed once a fish was part of your bag limit you can't release it. But the regulations read:• to sort fish. Any fish you take into possession which you do not release immediately is
part of your daily bag limit even if it is released later.
Thanks for making me aware of this and disregard what I posted previously. |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Dale:
You say: "NO CULLING!!!!!!!!!! Part of tournament strategy is making up your mind whether to keep a fish or not. We had this backfire on us in the 2001 Otter St. tourney and quit both days at about noon and took 29th. The fish just kept getting bigger and before we knew it we had 10 in the box. "
Doesn't your example give credence to justifying culling? Your example shows that luck played more into the scenerio than your fishing ability. If you and everyone else were able to cull, the best fisherman would win not the luckiest. What am I missing?
I think that this is an old law that could be changed. Now that most people have livewells that keep the fish alive, the law could be changed to read that upgrading is acceptable only if the fish is releasable.
Please do not misunderstand how I feel. I fish more days than most and rarely keep fish for the table. The last thing that I am is a meat hog.
I still believe that 10% catch 90% of the fish. Those in this catagory must learn responsibility to protect the resource.
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| Hi, my named is Terry and I am a culler.
In non-tourney situations, have placed a larger fish in my livewell on numerous occasions, to see if it were going to be in good enough shape to release. When/if they were, I did.
I don't feel guilty. I have watched Fisheries personnel handle them in ways that deserved a smack on the side of the head.
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| JP, you are mistaken. Here is an example of how a fish can be released after it has become part of your possession limit.
Example 1- Bay of Green Bay - catch BIG fish in 3 foot waves and want to move to safer conditions just around the point for photo's. Put fish in live well - go to spot and photo fish - release fish - bag limit left for the day = 2.
Example 2 - Wolf River - early AM catch one 18" walleye - 1/2 hour later a storm chases you to the boat ramp - you decide not to clean the one healthy swimming walleye in your live well and release it - bag limit left for the day = 4. If you went fishing after the storm you could legally only keep 4 walleyes.
So it IS perfectly legal to release a fish that was reduced to your possesion as long as you don't replace that fish in your daily bag limit. |
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Location: Elgin, Illinois | First, no culling does not result in decisions on tournament "strategy", rather it creates a guessing game...that's all...no skill, just guessing. You might get a better fish, regardless of your skill as a fisherman or you night not. True, if you are a good fisherman, your odds are better, but that's all.
Next, with the improvements in livewells the mortality is probably the same whether the fish is released at the side of the boat or after being in the livewell. When we put them on stringers...I can understand a rule against culling. But, not now.
Someday, we will have onboard digital scales that will moot this entire discussion. Then, I want the guys who support this rule to stand firmly on the side of not weighing them all... but, rather have them continue supporting "picking" whether to count the fish or not before they are weighed. Duh, won't happen.
Given the availability of digital cameras and their low cost...I am surprised that we haven't experimented with total length tournaments... Same scale, shoot the picture release the fish and be ready to download the "chip" at the "weigh-in" (actually a "measure-in")! |
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Hey Doc, thanx for clarifying that rule.! 
Might I add to all who are promoting culling: it is against the law to cull and hope this thread does not encourage some to do so..
This whole culling debate is being promoted by tournament fisherman. Any tournament fisherman who has a Dead fish in the livewell - that is next in line to be culled - will be. This is a waste of the resource and will make for very bad publicity should this be recorded and shared with the general public.
And no culling may make it more of a guessing game, but that is part of the excitement in making choices. Why would anyone feel they have made a good choice, if at some point your choice could be a bad one?
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| If culling would be allowed, that would be fine with me. If not, then for the tourney, some hard choices may have to be made. Last year, Dean Stoflet and I made the hard choice to keep a couple 14's early. Ended up in 7th place on a day with a pretty tough bite. Those 14's were part of only 5 fish we caught, but they were enough for a good finish.
And why shouldn't us walleye guys be allowed to cull fish? The bass guys are going to be able to in their tourneys.
That fact that we presently have no-cull rules, doesn't mean they are followed, ether. You got guys using more rods than allowed, cell phones and radio's, hiding/bopping/planting fish. You think that nobody is culling? I've not done it, and wouldn't. But I'm betting my entry fee everytime, that somebody is.
Edited by Shep 5/25/2004 3:04 PM
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| Shep hit the nail on the head. It is an almost unenforcable rule in a non-tournament situation and a very difficult rule to enforce even in a tournament situation. I defintely think it adds excitement to a tourney if everyone obeys. I get bored of watching bass guys on TV just keep on fishing and upgrading. Having to watch them think about whether or not to keep an early fish and hear their reasons for it would be very refreshing. |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | Rick, Rick, Rick......(May I call you Richard?)
This has nothing to do with the "same old story" theme you presented. It may be how you see it, but it's not fact whatsoever.
I came to this decision based on an event involving my son and a 29" fish we caught a few weeks ago. I told him if he got a big walleye this year he could get it mounted. Wouldn't you know, but the first fish in the boat that day was a 29 incher. He wanted to keep it to get it mounted. I threw it in the livewell. Later, we caught some nice eaters and had our allowed bag limit. My son had second thoughts about keeping that fish (hard to believe an 11 year old would change his mind, isn't it?). I told him we could put it back. Right after we threw it back, we began to break down our equipment for the ride back. A board went back and in came another eater. By law, we were not allowed to keep this fish, as we already had our allowed daily bag limit. I do not agree with this portion of the law. By the way, we did not keep this fish.
Next time Rick, before you jump to poorly developed conclusions, ask questions. You made a very poor assumption. |
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Location: Appleton wi | Shep your right on with that one some poeple have no conscience or remorse" its a me me world"some day those poeple will wonder "why me" and unfortunatly it is brought on upon themselves it occurs in every aspect of life and living. I feel if more poeple thought of fishing a a gentlemens game maybe the standards and honesty would improve! Just my 2 cents worth
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Location: Appleton wi | Jerry what you taught your son will remain with him for life and is far more valuable than the 29" fish that you could have been mounted or that 6 fish that could have gone in the bucket.
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No jerry, no assumptions here. It is tournament anglers who are promoting culling. That last sentence to my first post to this thread was meant to exclude you from the tournament fisherman... |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | Tyee,
I am not trying to promote interest in this website by starting this thread. It is how I feel. If I was looking to promote more board usage, I would have put this thread under the Winnebago board, which I am a moderator of. I am just giving my opinion after having heard enough opinion to the contrary. |
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Location: sheboygan,wisconsin | well here goes I also think culling should be allowed nowadays people seem to be much better
educated on our fishery and yes some people will waste fish trying to get something better,but most will not.I will leave you with this, there was a comment a couple of posts up about 10 fish in the livewell how many of those fish got wieghed and what happened to the rest! better to take five to the dock and not ten. |
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