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| Just thought I would share a prayer here for all the folks that have been devestated or know someone that has been affected by this storm! My prayers go out to you and your loved ones,
Here in Wi we won't see the effects of this storm for a few days and more than likely not for a few months as gas prices climb, the cost of goods go up due to the demand elsewhere and many other things.
Have boat will travel..................Hummm I know they are asking for help monitarily but wonder if there is something else that we could do?
Good Luck
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | This isn't intended to turn this post ugly, but I haven't heard one condolence statement from any other country for our misfortune. Nor have I heard of any of the (well to do) country's offering it's help in any form or fashion. But I see Mr. Jackson is over in Venezuela begging Chavez (it's president) to forgive us, for not understanding his hate for us. If this doesn't reinforce the fact that we always give and never recieve, and are on our own in this world, nothing does.
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| That's twice in a row we are on the same page Dan, although in the same line of thought isn't the greatness of a society measured by the amount it gives, not receives. |
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Location: Rockford MN | I'm watching CNN and all those folks think the stores are open and the goods inside are free!!!! Unreal they just walk out with handfuls of goods and look right into the camera!
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Location: Chicago IL. | I also saw that looting. Not bad enough the store owners will most likely have to go out of biz,but also have to pay for the rippoff is not right. Will be shot on site should be the order and it will stop. If CNN could see them I know the police could also. Do you think the sand boys will give us a break on oil for a few months? NOT A CHANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oil topped $70 dollars a barrel for the first time in history. Here in Chicago it is going to be around 3.50 a gallon by the weekend. Mabey we should charge for protecting there soil!!! We just had to spend 225 bucks in gas for a weekend of fishing. Thank you Mr. Bush but next time please use lube instead of sand. |
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| "had" to spend $225 to fish? Doubt it. Life's about choices....you chose to fish. And to imply that President Bush is somehow directly related to the run in crude and mogas prices is asinine. good day. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | I just saw the worst of the worst, LOOTERS!!!! There is no other way to descibe them than as animals. Mom, dad and the kids with a raft ( they probably stole ) full of somebody else's property or store goods. Up to their buts in water. It is time for Marshall law and some strict enforcement. This will get wose before it gets better. I feel sick to my stomach. On one hand I feel really bad for them, but on the other I am almost mad about it, they had a choice not to live below the sea being held back by dirt. This was not like a volcano popped out of nowhere and covered them with lava. Our prayers go out to all the rescue and recovery efforts and know we will get through this and I am sure we will do it on our own.
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Location: Chicago IL. | Hey guest,Why dont he release the oil in reserve that is there for emergencies????? Where is the oil from middle east that we sent billions of dollars over there to rebuild there wells???? I know this for a fact because I know someone there doing it. We sent aid to the sumami victims faster than he sent to the people of Katrina in our own country. Who do you blame. 3 tanks of gas for truck plus 1 for the boat,add it up. When one of my people in my company screws up we take the blame. Why should Bush be any different??? |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | Joel "Doc" Kunz - 8/30/2005 10:00 PM
That's twice in a row we are on the same page Dan, although in the same line of thought isn't the greatness of a society measured by the amount it gives, not receives.
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Yup, that is the second time. Kinda scary huh? As far as a society being measured by the amount it gives. It seems only our society and very few others uses this particular standard. I'm glad we are who we are and use this standard in our society. But I'm sure even Mother Terisa (inwardly) liked getting slapped on the back, helped out or praised once in a while, even when she didn't need it to press on. |
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| John,
I don't think there is a shortage of crude. I do think there is a shortage of refinery capacity. Katrina has affected this even more. Perhaps it's time to build some new, bigger and better refineries. I don't know when the last one was built, but it's been a long time.
I think you are a bit off base in your placing the blame on Bush for not releasing some of the reserves. Remember when Clinton did that, it was a feel good measure. Didn't affect the price at the pump one bit! |
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Location: Menasha, WI | Actually Bush has released the reserves. Like it did when Clinton released them, it will stabilize the prices a bit.
"We" haven't built any refineries because it is not profitable to do so. Refiners have chosen to expand capacity at existing facilites to maximize efficiency. The greater concentration has made the markets more vulnerable to disruptions. |
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Location: upper michigan | the last oil refinery built in the USA was in 1973 it is near imposible to get permits to build them. |
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Location: Menasha, WI | High Pump-Price Fairy Tales
So what's driving these high gasoline prices, which now average $2.22 across the country? Conservatives think it's largely a function of the chickens coming home to roost. In short, bureaucratic red tape, anti-growth environmental extremists, and "not-in-my-back-yard" community activists have long prevented new oil refineries from coming online. This in turn has starved the market of the gasoline and – viola! – record prices are the logical result.
It's a convenient story line for the Right. Unfortunately, the narrative is wrong.
The reason that no new facilities have been built is partly because it costs far less to expand production capacity at existing plants than it does to expand capacity by building new plants. And because existing refineries are ideally situated near oil terminals and pipelines, it's more convenient to increase capacity in those locations than to do so elsewhere
But if that's so, how do we explain the facility shutdowns that have characterized the industry? After all, there were 325 oil refineries in the U.S. in 1981, but only 149 remain today. The explanation resides in the fact that we had a lot of refineries back in 1981 not because of market forces or the lack of environmental regulations, but because the government subsidized the existence of small, inefficient refineries.
Here's how it worked. Under the Mandatory Oil Import Quota Program (which was in effect from 1959 to 1973), low-cost crude oil imports were restricted to support the domestic crude price. Refineries got disproportionately more rights to import if they were small. The subsidies to small refineries continued under the price-control programs in place from 1973 through 1980. When the subsidies ended, a large number of inefficient small refineries bit the dust.
That helps explain why domestic refining capacity dropped from 18.6 million barrels of oil a day in 1976 to 16.8 million barrels of oil today. Dramatic improvements in the operational efficiency of oil refineries also contributed to that decline. Refineries now operate much closer to their capacity than 20 years ago. Accordingly, less "nameplate capacity" is necessary to meet demand.
The upshot is that even though domestic refineries have been shutting down and total refining capacity has been declining, domestic gasoline production has actually increased by 20 percent since the last oil refinery was built in 1976.
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Location: Chicago IL. | I understand the refinery problem,but why is crude so high from overseas. Mabey I am off base blameing Bush and if it sounded like that I stand corrected, I like the guy,but who do you blame for the spike in prices before katrina. |
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Location: Menasha, WI | Basic supply and demand. The rapid industrialization of China and India has increased global demand that is reaching the global capacity to produce oil. Add in market speculation created by instability in the Mideast from where much of the world's supply is derived and you get high oil prices. |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | Viking - 8/31/2005 11:36 AM
Basic supply and demand. The rapid industrialization of China and India has increased global demand that is reaching the global capacity to produce oil. Add in market speculation created by instability in the Mideast from where much of the world's supply is derived and you get high oil prices.
Good Poop Viking.
Never has it been so blantanly obvious to me (rather coming from the right or left) that taking only certain facts from the refinment arguments, can reinforce your own sides point of view. 
Ya know, this reminds me of what my buddy told me once. He said, "Lets not let Facts cloud the true meaning of our conversation". Man, does this apply!!!. 
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| Get a life you guys, Hundreds and possibly thousands are dead, Tens of Thousands are homeless and your bitchin about a little gas!!! I started this thread to share some prayers with friends and it turns into a cry of anger and mistrust.
It's about time this place gets a face lift, As my enjoyment here is dwindling!
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| Tyee,
Relax. It's a terrible storm that happened down there. But there was plenty of warning to get out. I'm sorry for the deaths and injuries, but most of them could have been prevented by leaving when they were advised to. As for those left homeless. Yes, it's a shame. But I'll not feel any worse for them than I do for those affected by the tornado's we get up here. Very little national attention was paid to them 2 weeks ago.
Besides, I do believe it was you who first brought up the rising price of fuel in you post. |
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Location: Rockford MN | I guess I'm not "Biatchin" just when ever there is a disaster you hear of all the people trying to make a buck off it! The gov... steps in and says you can't do that! Now why are'nt they telling the oil companies this? Speical interest money! These oil compaines have made BILLIONS and never take a hit, they just raise raise raise everytime something like this happens! I think it's getting a little old, the 2 way standards these days! It's only just begun wait til they raise everyones insurance to cover all the mass distruction down south! We can't count on any help from any other countires, so we the people will foot the bill AGAIN. We are at war, we give aid to to many countires to count and now this! Pay Pay Pay thats what this country does best, and we are the ones doing the paying! There is no speical monies set aside for this kind of thing, heck they can't even get there check book balanced. It's a very sad thing to look at what has happened down south, and long term effects will be felt for years! Right now the whole country is paying and thats just the spike in gas prices, while those oil compaines continue to rack it in at a HUGE profit rate! SAD someone always makes out on someone's loss! |
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| CNN has reported through the Vatican that the Pope is praying for those affected by Katrina. All the folks in N.O. can rest easy now. |
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| Time for your medication Tyee
Take a deep breath and everything will be OK. Can't control the direction of a thread and we sure don't want to lose you so take it easy on those who get off topic a bit.
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| who is this john m. guy think he is? who in there right mind would spend 250 bucks in gas just to fish? geezzzz! hehehe |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | Tyee - 8/31/2005 12:36 PM
Get a life you guys, Hundreds and possibly thousands are dead, Tens of Thousands are homeless and your bitchin about a little gas!!! I started this thread to share some prayers with friends and it turns into a cry of anger and mistrust.
It's about time this place gets a face lift, As my enjoyment here is dwindling!
Tyee
Tyee.
I guess my first post (even though not about gas prices) was the first one to get off base, and for this I apologize. But I would also add that "No man is an island" nor is the natural progressions and hardships down the road of what this disaster will mean to every person living in the USA. It will have a severe short term and probably a lasting long term effect on everything we do, because of the price of home or vehicle fuel, insurance and any other thing related to higher energy and living prices. Thank God our homes have not been taken away and our families are safe and comfortable. But please don't take our comments as being condescending or unconcerned about the people effected at ground zero by this disaster. We are the strongest and most resilient nation in this world. If we go down, they all will in short order. I think even our most hated enemies know this deep in their gut. God give us all strength in the coming months ahead.
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Location: Chicago IL. | I Stand corrected Mike. I only paid 125 bucks. You spent the other 125. |
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