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| PWT announced it's entry fees for 2006 SuperPro's $ 3000 per Event
Location's Chamberlin,SD
Ottertail,Mn
Houghton,Michigan
MilleLac's (pending) (min championship)
Only 50 pre-selected Pro's to fish elite 50
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Still too many unknowns to give an educated opinion.
I'd like to know who made the top 50.
What was the criteria?
What is the criteria for staying in the top 50?
How do you get asked to the top 50?
Who fills the other 20 spots for championship? What criteria?
How much will it cost to participate in the regional PWT Tour? Payouts? co-am format?
What are the locations for the regional PWT Tour?
What will the critetria be for getting into the regional PWT Tour?
Will you be able to fish one or two of the regional PWT Tour events?
What kind of media coverage will there be for the regional events?
I'm sure that when these questions are answered we will all come up with our own opinions and more questions.
Edited by Sunshine 11/2/2005 11:12 AM
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| I have wondered about the criteria since the PWT limited the fields to 120 boats.
Have often thought that it will evolve into the "good ole boys network"......but I choose not to fret about it, since I can't afford the money or time to play anytime soon. |
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| I may be incorrect, but from what little I know...it appears to me that these Elite fishermen will have a bigger financial obligation, but not necessarily a better earnings potential?
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Location: Devils Lake, ND | Sunshine,
Call me, I can fill you in.
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Johnny, do you think the PWT will post this information soon? There are so many rumors flying around and distinct pop shots taken at the pwt about it, and no one really knows how its all working unless you are there. As much as I would like to address the "call me, I will fill you in" I will leave it alone and hope in the future you will share what is going on with the rest of us. |
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| No offense, Johnnie, but why the secrecy? why not share?
Seems to only propagate my "Good ole boys network" theory.
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Location: Devils Lake, ND | My reson for not sharing is that I do not want my emotions to cloud my post. Many of the posts I have read so far on this subject are just that, emotions.
I do not mean to be secretive, but Dennis is a long time friend of mine, and I can be emotional with him and he will understand.
I will tell you this, I did not get the letter of invitation. This is not the PWT being the Gold Ole Boys network. It is the PWT trying to raise the bar. I do not, at this time want to get into wether I think it is good or bad, that is the emotional part.
There is a set of criteria used to determine the top 50. It is based on all time PWT money, number of top ten PWT finishes, number of PWT championships fished, and average place of PWT finishes. It is a very good representation of the top 50 PWT pros and I will bet it would be reflected very well against the WWR on this site.
The reason I did not get invited is that I am not one of the 50 best PWT anglers. That is a fact and I, along with many others will have to deal with that. Some will care and some will not care. Some will get very angry and some will not. I will be fishing the PWT Opens and will fish hard like always and continue to be me. I will still represent my sponsors proudly and work hard for all of them. Nothing has changed except for the name of the tournaments I choose to fish.
I think that the sport needs a change in direction and I feel that this could be the start of a good thing. It will create opportunity for 50 guys to sell themselves differently from the other 120 PWT anglers. Notice I did not say better or worse, just differently. It will create a set of "stars" a the Super Pro level and it will allow others to shine in the open division. Now we have a chance to have two sets of names that people can relate to. Throw in the FLW and we have three.
We all need to realize that change means new opportunity. The opportunity may or may not be what we wanted it to be, but none the less it is there. Would I rather be consider one of the Super Pros, hell yes I would. Will there be new opportunity for me because I am not one of them, yes there will.
I am sure that when they are ready, the PWT will announce all of the specifics to the public that they want heard. I will do my best to keep anyone informed that wants to e-mail me privately, just in case I get emotional. I believe my e-mail is readily available to all that want it. If not it is [email protected].
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Johnny, Thanks for the explaination, well said. I understand emotions, you been at this along time. It will just take a little more aiming to get on that list. Better luck to you next year.
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | As always Johnnie, you show your true colors as a class act and a true professional. I’d also like to thank you for being a great friend and always being there for me.
I can see the reasoning for quick judgments on the “call me”. But after your response I hope everyone can understand. Johnnie was just connecting with an old friend, it’s just that harmless.
Like similar threads that have started here regarding matters concerning the FLW and PWT, I would guess that WF would prefer to hear official news from the powers to be. Who knows, maybe they (PWT) are intentionally building the interest. Seems to be working.
For me, I’ll repeat what I have stated earlier. Still lots of unknowns and I’ll keep my thoughts to myself and between close friends until I see the whole picture.
All to often, it’s human nature to have a tendency for judging situations by how it effects us personally. We fail to see the big picture and the effects of the sport in general. Or as Johnnie stated: “look for the new opportunities”.
My guess is that there will be a few who will criticize the new format before hearing all the information because their ego’s are hurt by not being in the “elite 50 group”. But again, Johnnie shows true class and a great example by taking the high road and not showing the “woe is me” attitude.
Why do I have this feeling that the new format will fit in perfectly with the goals and aspirations of true Pro’s like Johnnie Candle?
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| At times we all read things wrong sometimes. Perhaps the "Call me" screams "I know something you don't know" when a simple message would of worked for all of us.
Johnnie thanks for your insight and good luck on the PWT next year. |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Looks like we all will know a great deal more after this Thursday when the Fishing Fanatics Radio show will include the PWT Tournament Director Charlie Moore. Charlie is promising to spill the beans on how they decided on their list of elite Super Pros, plus info on what we can expect for the 2006 season. |
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| I guess I'm wondering about a couple things here.
1.) If the PWT selected 50 "Super Pro's" to compete in the "Elite" series, and 10 of them decline the invitation because of scheduling problems or indifference with the new format, will the "Elite" series then run with only 40 "Super Pro's", or will those pro's that were rated 51-61, and not entitled at that level, then be promoted to the ranks of "Super Pro's", and allowed to compete in the "Elite"series?
2.) If there was a strict criteria used to select these top 50 anglers, how did Chase Parsons get selected? No offense to Chase, because he is diffinetly a rising star in the pro ranks, but he has only competed for one year on the tour, and in my minds eye, hasn't really paid his dues enough to be put into such an elite group. It appears there might be some "coat tails" being ridden on that selection. |
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Location: Rockford MN | Sounds like the "Pro bowl" or "All-star" game. Where is the list? I can't even find the top 50 money winners list? Did they just send out 50 invites to start with or what?
I did'nt get one!!!! LMAO I guess you would have had to fish there tour first? Oh well it should be fun seeing how it plays out. |
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| I have followed tournaments for many years and fished. Never the PWT. Given an elite is probably a good idea. One rule that would be nice for the elite is to do it on their own. No pooling of info, No network of other pros. Now that said I think it could change a lot of circumstances for say 50-75. Just a opinion. |
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| I for one am very excited to see this all shake out. To steal someone else's thought, NASCAR has 3 levels of racing(Nextel, Busch, Craftsman Trucks) and there are very successful people at every level. I'm pulling for Johnnie because he is a class act and a friend.
By changing the format and having the open's, I might be able to step up to the PWT without fishing a division or the whole thing. This is good news.
One other thing, why does Chase Parson's name keep getting brought up? I've heard he wasn't invited to the elite series. I don't know Chase, but respect what he did on the PWT last year and don't think he deserves some of the shots he's taken. Chase is very fortunate to have such a father. I'm sure many of us wish we had the same oppurtunities. |
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| JDII, if the top 50 is a representation of just that, it would have to include a certain number of anglers from the top of the previous years championship. Chase was second place and based on the year he had would deserve to be there. I guess his new challenge is to stay there. I know his Dad but don't know Chase well but I have encountered a quality young man in every sense. I was asked my opinion months ago and knew about an upcoming change in the system and for one am very much for the idea. I hope it is a program that makes sense and is does not create a good ol boys cuircut, as mentioned. You don't see Roland Martin in the Bassmasters Classic every year because he doesn't qualify based on lifetime achievments. You have to qualify for the top 50 THAT YEAR or be in the field based on previous years events, not because you're Roland Martin or Kevin Van Dam. Would really like to see them take another step and create a qualification process for the 120 boat field that goes right down to the club level. |
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| Doc,
My question with Chase comes from what Johnnie outlined as the criteria.....
"There is a set of criteria used to determine the top 50. It is based on all time PWT money, number of top ten PWT finishes, number of PWT championships fished, and average place of PWT finishes. It is a very good representation of the top 50 PWT pros and I will bet it would be reflected very well against the WWR on this site."
As I said, Chase without a doubt is one of the rising stars in the game, but being that he is only going into his second season on tour, and is ranked #100 in the WWR, makes me wonder......?  |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Jack,
In defense for Candle, he is not the pwt and he very ruggedly hi-lited some of the criteria that the decisions were based. I may have been the instigater of getting him to share a little more. I dont think anyone should start basing decisions off of his overview. Yep, an overview is what it was.
As far as Chase goes, last season he was as hot as anyone. Hotter than alot. Even if he has his anchor in the "Old mans boat" he still had to catch the fish. I am sure there is more to the whole story.
Lets let it all unfold and see where the chips fell. Then the fun will begin!! |
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| Thats fine with me. I understand what you're saying. |
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| I don't know any of the individuals, but I think a point that is vaid is if his name was Chase Smith would he be in the top 50? Hopefully the answer is an objective "yes" otherwise the credibility is hurt. I suppose one would have to analyze the top 50 pursuant to the criteria, but if some of the factors include longevity-related considerations one would think a rookie would not qualify. Like I said, hopefully the formula and the weighting of factors shows he deserves it. If not, then it would really stink to be the guy that was number 51. |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | I'll take a stab at the reason here, and say that maybe the Rookie of the year will automatically be included with the 50 top banana's every year. I think they do it that way in the Bass masters don't they? |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | So let's say that Chase does get invited and he turns it down. Does that possibility exist? Absolutely, but it isn't likely. I do know for a fact that there will be some who are considered to be part of the Elite 50 that will turn it down. Think about the expense folks. $3,000 per event for 4 events plus your expenses. Based on last year's lodging, fuel, bait, food, and miscellaneous expenses, my count is that it will cost about $18,000 to fish 4 events. Based on the payout of, say 20th place, which to my knowledge is the final payout spot at $4,000, if you finished 20th at all four events you would still be out $2,000. To be realistic, one will need two top ten finishes (tenth place is $7,500) plus another money finish to break even. Not an easy thing to do.
There is also the matter of being invited to fish the Elite 50 and the regional tour. How many guys can afford both? How many will choose to fish the 4 FLW events and not the regional events? Remember the ties that some guys have to their sponsors, particularily Ranger and either Evinrude or Yamaha. What if your sponsor doesn't want you in the PWT?
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| I think if the qualification standards would have been set in stone prior to the 2005 season, there would not be so much controversy. I for one have to admitt that a person has to wonder if the rules aren't being written as we go at this point. If I were the person running this buisiness, and wanted to have a smooth transition between the Elite's and the Open's. That both division's would have some sort of concrete information in front of them so they could make the proper decisions based on the facts and not rumors. And it would also afford some of the newer anglers a better opportunity the gain sponsorship or even seasoned vet's to retain their existing sponsorship's. Until we have the information needed the rumor mill is just going to build and get further out of control.
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| Jerry, I think the last Elite tournament would pay 5 G for 20th place, and given the performance you listed, most likely would qualify as one of the 42 Championship qualifiers.
Just read the letter quickly last night - the method to qualify was a 3 page process. It was obvious to me a lot of thought went into the new format. It'll be interesting to see what the Regional program will be. I like Johnny's description, the opportunities will still be there, just have to see how to acheive them.
For some, travel expense will be significantly lower this year. Looks like part of the format is to bring the competition back to the fan base. Established waters, and good dates. |
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