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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Everyone talks about Tournament walleye fishing and how to get it as big as bass. There are other ways, but this would be a good start.
For those of us that enjoy following competitive fishing, we like to know who is playing the game. Have you noticed that the PWT starts weds and you wont see a list of competitors until they are listed on a leaderboard. Dont point fingers either, because its the same way in the FLW. This is what I would like to see.
The pwt, flwtour and flw league should list there pro's/co's no matter how many are signed up. It is like some great big secret otherwise. I like to follow the sport but the organizers make it tough.
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Location: Rhinelander | We frequently don't get the field of contestants until a couple days before the events. I think it's because of the Co Angler field fluctuations and pairings. |
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| Couple of days before? I wish. It's usually mid-morning the day of the event. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | OK so the co-anglers are the ones that make this impossible. Then eliminate listing them. No need anyhow.
I am currently playing a fantasy bass league on the flw site. Its fun and they have a list of names up and who is signed up for the next tour event. This seems like a very easy thing to do. Why doesn't someone set the standard in walleye fishing? It is not the job of the independant websites, it should be the organizers themselfs. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Yes, Steve has the correct answer to that. When tournaments aren't full also is another reason why a list of contestants hasn't been released. Things change almost on a daily basis with problems arising with co-angler situations and sometimes pros having to drop out due to problems at the last minute. Whether it be boat problems, family issues or even health conditions of pros/co-anglers. That's at least how I saw it on the PWT last year. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | OK T.J., so things change, so then the organizers can go in and add a angler or take one away, when the need arises. This is not a huge problem. It happens in only a few instances anyhow. This is very basic computer skills to change as needed anyhow..
You stated that when tournaments are not full is another reason why lists of contestants have not been released. WHY TJ? How does that make any sense whats so ever.
And again, we are not following amatures anyhow, so it doesn't matter wheather they are listed or not. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Denny, that's an easy answer. The list isn't always ready to be released. To be honest, why do they need to release the list of anglers? I mean I know there are inquiring minds that want to see but why release a list and then have to make changes on it? But I would have to say though, that the list usually isn't ready to be released. The tournament coordinator is only one person with many responsibilities, releasing this list is a very minor one for the coordinator on the PWT! |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | T.J. That is one way to look at it. Defend the director. There is a few things you stated that make no sense.
What do you mean, "The list isn't always ready to be released?" I am still trying to figure out that one. Do they not compile a list of players as there entry fee's come in?
You asked, Why do they need to release a list of the anglers? Well, I suppose they don't, because they have not been releasing them in the past. However, I have WORKED in the real world of marketing for over 20 years. If you have a product, and want more people to see it, you use every tool in your box to draw more attention to it. The players are the pawns in there game.
Also, if releasing the players names is very minor, it should not take them long at all. Remember, I to have run tournaments. The basics are very easy. 50 boats or 250 doesnot matter, you must compile a list of entrants as they pay there money, basic stuff maynerd.
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| Stacker,
If you saw the amount of work that goes into these tournaments as Steve and TJ have, the answer would probably smack you in the face, its minor in the lives of the tourney directors. Like TJ says there is whole slew of reasons why the list isn't out to you ASAP. By the way, what tournament circuit do you run?
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Hi Ben
I have run a 50 boat tournament for 7 years now. Not a circuit, but no different. I have over 10 years experience personnally fishing tournaments as well Ben. Ben, I really don't think It would "Slap me in the face" I allready understand what it takes to run business. Steve mearly said that he thinks the hold up is with co anglers and the pairings. As far as compiling a list, I will ask you to tell me how they compile the list as entry's come in? It must be way more complicated than using a excel program. As far as seeing behind the scenes, don't be so sure others have not as well Ben.
And to quote you, "Like TJ Says, there is a whole slew of reasons why the list isn't out to you asap." If you are in the know, BEN, please, Enlighten us. Otherwise I would like to hear what TJ seems to know. I make a conversation topic and you tell me it cannot be done but have no apparant reason as to why. Defend your statements.
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Location: Rockford MN | Reason: Because they don't have to, and don't feel a need to. 
Total guess, because I have no idea what it takes them to put on a tour. |
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| Stacker.
Do you have to pull a semi trailer, stage, boats, make the chamber of commerce contacts, set up the lodging, set up the connections with a resort to base out of, do radio interviews, obtain DNR permits, set up the internet in connections and phone lines for your once a year, 50 boat tournanment? Prizes also have to be obtained from sponsors and loaded to take to the show. I to fish tournaments (musky) and have since the early 90's. I also run an ice fishing tournament, that would be similar to your tourney where all participants throw $50/person into the kitty and biggest pike, walleye, and bass each get 1/3 of the kitty, pretty simple compared to a PWT event. A yearly tourney like your and mine is no comparison to a circuit. Entries can come late, the amatuers field may not be filled, a sponsor could back out etc. The major tourney's also have to run "lean" with staff to keep the payout where the pro's expect them. I guess I might have a little more background on this than most as I live with and have been married to a PWT coordinator for the last 5 years. It can be done like you said, but usually there are bigger fish to fry. In the grand scheme of things, the list is pretty minor.
Just my $.02
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | OK Ben, and TJ for that matter since it has been our conversation, please tell me this. As entrys are taken and confirmations are sent, because they have a co-or a amature paired with a said pro, in what way do they keep track of this? I ask this, because even a spread sheet will transferr to walleye first so they can list them, even a week before. Don't tell me they don't know who is foishing and who ain't.
Ben, I can understand the many things you listed having to do to get the production ready for a pwt event, but most, if not all of the things, are done way out in advance, or damn sure should be. You call sponsors the week before a event for the prizes? I hardly thing so. If the coordinators do, some one else needs to run that business.
As far as working lean, are you for real. The pros are fishing for there own cash. There is very little, if any of the entry fees that go to pay the employees who are running these tourneys. Sponsorship dollars take care of that.
Even though a small one day tourney cannot start to go against a large pro tour, there is one thing for sure, and that is business is business. Small or large.
That whole first string of work you spit out, is not that hard when it is your only job. |
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| Stacker,
You crack me up man. When you have some experience with a major tournanment circuit let me know bro. If TJ wants to banter with ya great, otherwise good luck this season.
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Location: Rockford MN | Did the PWT fill Charlie's spot yet, if not Stacker can jump right in and fix all these problems? Just a thought because I can't even imagine how much work it would be to put on a tour over many States and bodies of water. Not to mention all the sponsor related work and events. Maybe when they get millions in TV contracts like other sports they can compete?
I just feel lucky someone does all this so I can fish a few events if I want. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Ben
Thanks for the chat. Unfortunantly you were unable to come up with a valid reason as to why it would be so difficult to put the names of the participants up a week or two before an event. Since we are not in the sand lot any longer the answer, "Just 'cause", doesn't work any longer.
The floor is still open. |
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| Just call them and ask them they would be the ones with the answers. Asking the WF people who are not involved isn't going to you the answers you seem to want so call Jim K and ask him. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | I have said everything I need to say. Denny, honestly, not to sound like a know it all, but Ben has hit ABSOLUTELY every reason in the book why that list is not available! You could have 100years of experience in marketing or whatever, but the fact is, and the only way I know this is because I do know first hand. And for your comment about defending the tournament directors, I will be the first to do so! I always told Ben's wife that she is probably one of or is the hardest working person on the trail, but don't get me wrong, there are tons of people that make a circuit go round, but I would have to say, without the coordinator, I don't believe a circuit could run at all. You honestly don't have a clue what she goes through to make everything run smoothly! You can sit there and say you do, but you don't! You can sit there and bicker with me all you want but I'm not trying to argue with you on this. The facts have been presented, whether you believe them or not, well that is up to you my friend.
Now, let's just hope Mrs. Meister hasn't been keeping up with this thread, because honestly she could talk you into an early grave if you really wanted to bicker with her on this. |
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| perhaps nobody has ever asked for them before so before jumping to all these conclusions on why you cant have them maybe someone should ask |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Guest, Ben is the husband of the Tournament coordinator, and as for me, ya I know from experience with the PWT last season as there summer help. So that's just all first hand information. I wouldn't dare open my mouth like this if I had no clue. That's for darn sure. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Thank for your input CALL, that makes for some lively conversation for sure. Read the original post. Asked what everybody thought.
Anyone else like to see a list of names fishing these evnts before they start? Go to the flw website and look at there fantasy fishing for the tour bass. That could work very well for the walleye world as well.
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| Thats all fine and dandy, but when givin the answers by people in the know you don't seem to want to hear them. So call Jim K and ask the main man himself, you will get a chance to argue with him about it instead of all the posters here. |
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| Well merc i guess Ben speaks for the PWT. And there not willing to share who in there tourny i guess thats the final answer for pwt. Slacker maybe you should call FLW and ask them if there willing . You mentioned they had pro's listed for bass maybe they will have no problem with the walleyes side. If someone wants to start a fantasy fishing for the walleye side i personally see no harm. I'd call Flw and ask them they seem to be moving in the right direction and do alot better job promoting walleye fishing. I think this whole post is blown out of its original intentions and turned negative. Now everyone Go fishing! |
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| Stacker has indeed made a very valid and insightful observation as it relates to the decision of not releasing names prior to the big dance. Walleye fishing tournaments could benefit substantially with sound and creative marketing. I think a lot of us would agree we would all struggle getting excited for a football game if we didn't know who was playing in that coming weekend. Perhaps a week analogy but bass tournaments make every effort to hype the high profile anglers before the event so as to attract our attention. We are probably not as apt to divert attention to the Masters if Tiger Woods is not playing and that is why the media makes damn sure you know he is playing. In addition, the comment about "you have no idea how much work goes into a tournament" is a comment often uttered by failing companies. Working hard is never a prerequisite for success nor should it be an excuse to explore other ideas. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | What I don't understand is that people are comparing B.A.S.S to walleyes. Tournament bass fishing has been around since the very early 70's, almost a total of 40 years, with bass being much more wide spread throughout the country. That being said, where do you think the majority of money from sponsors go? Bass fishing or Walleyes? Your not comparring apples to apples. The PWT has been around since the early 90's, almost 20 years now, I know the MWC has a couple years on them but your talking about at almost 20 years more that bass fishing tournaments of any size have been around for a lot longer. It will take time for the walleye gig to get where Bass fishing is at. I understand that they could do a few things to promote the walleye side better but if you look at Bass, it took time to get it where it's at now. That didn't just happen overnight! |
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