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| Another thing that would improve upon information surrounding various circuits would be the release of the full results following the event.
Many circuits do not provide complete results information on the tournaments.
Missing are either first names, # of fish caught, or other data generally important to those who follow walleye fishing, and some only provide placing of the top three names or so teams, with no weights whatsoever.
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Location: Appleton | Not sure what additional information you are looking for from TFM. The posting on yesterdays MWS tournament list the top five teams names, number of fish caught, weight, winnings, and the total number and weight of fish also stating that going to www.fishtfm.com you can see complete tournament standings.
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| Let me clarify that TFM has always been one of the leaders in providing immediate results and updates from their events, and they are operated at the highest level of professionalism, that is why it grows every year.
Specifically, your Winnebago standings don't show the number of fish caught, although you do provide the information for the top five in your press release. Many other circuits just provide names and no weights. These are just little things we, as anglers, run into when perusing the weekend's results from around the country. Information that I personally wish was available, and was curious as to what others thought? |
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| they do show the total number of fish caught, and the total weight.
Oh, fish caught per team.
Edited by Shep 5/1/2007 11:06 AM
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | OK, lets get something clear on this. No one is attacking any one circuit so don't start defending what they do and how they do it.
The more information that a fan can get regarding the various events, the more of a fan they will become. some people just have the love for walleye fishing and others just don't know that they have the love for it, YET!!
"Knowing is half the battle" has been written and talked about plenty of times. To grow the sport of walleye fishing, it is a must to tell them about you. keep telling them about you, and tell them even more about you. If you do not believe this, just ask how many northern hillbillies knew about nascar and how it all worked at the beginning. Now, well, the best damn marketing ploy ever. Can walleye fishing reach such heighths? Sure, but there is one thing that needs to start happening!! They need to keep telling everyone about it.
Not knowing what there, the industry, plans are for marketing in areas, ties anyones hands from making marketing advise, but we can tell what we like and what we dont like. Everyone does it there way right now, maybe, just maybe, its time for organization of the promoters. That may be the best start.
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Location: Appleton | We have changed our tournament standings report from Sunday's MWS tournament to include the team's number of fish caught. If you go to www.fishtfm.com you can see the updated report. The team numbers of fish caught will also be on the standing reports for all future tournaments including the Mercury National. If someone has any other suggestions let me know and we will try to provide the information. Either e-mail [email protected] or call 920-731-3474
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Jim Coon
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| Much better seeing the number of fish each team caught. Thanks Jim.
I would also like to see the full field which includes those that zeroed. That way I can see everyone that fished. Without them listed it is a little misleading. |
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Location: Appleton | We do not list the zero boats because we feel anglers would prefer not to see thier names with a zero. In many cases teams may have fish but decide not to weigh thier fish because they feel they do not have enough to place in the tournament. That is why I will say the total number of boats fishing and the number of teams that caught fish. I noticed I did miss that in this weekends release. There were eighteen boats that did not weigh fish this past weekend. I appreciate the comments.
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Jim, I for one applaud the quick response to questions. On the fact of not posting names of the zeros, I believe that sometimes it is a good thing and here is why. When a guy is starting to think about entering the tournament world, he looks at results from local events. If he does not see a name on the board of a local hit stick, he may think that it was not worth there time to fish, thus not worth his time either. Also, it goes along way for the mental wellness of the guy who did blank and also sees that a local hot stick blanked as well. It will keep there spirits high.
I also believe that posting all payouts is a good thing. You can see how far down was paid to 140 boats. I realize some guys want to take pot shots for the percentage paid out by any one circuit, that is where the home website comes into play. Explain how our tournament entry fees work for championships and the like. I think all circuits need to do this. Just like truth in lending. |
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| you can figure out who zeroed. look for the teams with 10 points in the standings, and then compare to the results of an individual tourney. Some of those who caught fish will have 10 points, too, so you'll have to take that in to consideration.
I think Jim's responses, and actions show that he listens to the anglers. I like fishing in his tourneys. They are well run, and provide great competition. I always make sure I thank him for letting me play that day. |
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Location: Appleton wi | Shep this year results were alittle different since there was a good all around catch by most anglers there are some who caught one fish and recieved 10 points..
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| I believe that is what I said above. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Shep - 5/2/2007 7:56 AM
you can figure out who zeroed. look for the teams with 10 points in the standings, and then compare to the results of an individual tourney. Some of those who caught fish will have 10 points, too, so you'll have to take that in to consideration.
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Sorry shep, but that does not cut it. I may have to do alot of homework to figure out what could have been fed to the fan base in moments. And I would still be guessing.
NOTE!!! This is in no way beating up on the MWS. If you are reading this and have not fished a MWS event, DO SO!! They are very well run and you get alot for your buck, BELIEVE ME!!
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| As a fan I like to see who zeroed. Maybe others don't care. As a competitor who caught fish I want the zeros to be there too, as I took the risk of a zero just like everyone else. As one who didn't I'm not sure. The "fear of the zero" is a big motivating factor in this sport, why take it out of the equation?
Also, it is a bit misleading when trying to figure out what the bite was like, when it looks like everyone caught fish. I think I subconsciously look for the zeros at the bottom of the sheet when judging that.
For example, in the FRC last year Schuette and Ruffolo both zeroed (i think). I KNOW people looked at that and said to themselves, "Wow, that HAD to be a tough bite if those guys zeroed". Fans knew it was tough just by looking at the low weights, but that really put an exclamation point on it.
Maybe we should just make a new name for it, like "unfulfilled limit" and show a "ul" instead of a zero, to protect the fragile egos of those that zeroed?
Can you imaging if other sports did that? What would it look like? (I apologize in advance to Packer and Lions fans)
NFL News
Packers vs Bears
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | I totally agree with Zach there. I too like to see who zeroed. I think it takes away from the overall coverage if your not seeing everyone that fished the event. If you pay the money to fish the event, well then that is your choice. Like Stacker said, only way to get this bigger is providing in depth coverage. Look at the PWT and the FLW tours. It's almost a guarantee for just about every tournament that you will see one big name, if not more zero one or more days an event.
So Jim, I think for promoting purposes, I think personally you should show the full results. But that is me, so take it for what it's worth. |
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| I too like to see the zeros, as well it introduces me to the names of the folks that are fishing an event if there is no line up ahead of time! My ego's not fragile but anything can happen. Luck would have it as I do know that I am as bad as half the field and worse than the other half.
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| I would like to see the zero's as well. My name hardly ever shows up and she is starting to wonder if I even fished the tournament or did I find another woman that likes a guy with some meat on his bones?! So save my marriage here Jim and post the zero's! |
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| "Maybe we should just make a new name for it, like "unfulfilled limit" and show a "ul" instead of a zero, to protect the fragile egos of those that zeroed?"
HAHAHA that's some funny stuff. |
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| I have no dog in this fight but you all have me confused. I looked at the standings to see what you are talking about and there are 32 teams with ten point from this tournament. So does that mean that 32 teams zeroed and got the lowest points possible? I thought someone said that 12 teams caught no fish. |
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| Not really a fight just a discussion on what walleye tourney fans like to see in the results, however your confusion illustrates the point quite well. I'll reiterate again this is not a criticism of anyone just a discussion of what types of results people like to see, all circuits report in slightly different ways.
For example, why does the FLW use pounds and ounces? I think it creates too many ties and also (selfishly) creates a conversion headache when adapting their data to work with our leaderboard. |
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| Zach, just my gut feel, but I think when the FLW announces weights at their weigh-ins. You can place more annuciation on pounds and ounces.
10 POUNDS 8 OUNCES sounds better than 10.5 Pounds. Drama. Just a guess. Having gone to a few FLW weigh in's and participating in a couple. The FLW does a nice job of creating "drama" during the weigh-in.
Speaking of weigh-ins. the in tank weighing that the FLW uses is totally cool. I think the PWT could use some improvment there. The fish are a key element to this sport. SHOW 'EM OFF. PWT doesn't even have clear tubs where you can see the fish. they have an cloudy white/clear tub. yeah you can see fish...but not nearly as visible as a clear bag or in tank live weigh-in.
Just like UPS's "I wanna race the truck"..........I wanna see the fish! |
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| Yeah we've (WalleyeFIRST) have talked about the clear weigh tubs alot, especially in the context of taking photos at the events. Very nice. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | That is another very good point. Seeing the fish.
Have you ever went to one of the two biggest local tournaments on lake winnebago and never seen a fish? I go just to watch the girls anymore, and, well, the cold beer!! LOL!!
A rough list of requests starts with:
1. a players list starting 5 days in advance of the event
2. a set of specific rules for each event, if applicable
3. a complete set of results after the event
4. a better viewing oportunity of the fish by all.
Please add your own at this point.
This is great discussion, thanks everybody!! |
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| Denny add another one. Insisting that the Pros mix and mingle in the crowd every day of the tournament rather than just with their families on the final day! Or having multiple "meet the pro events" throughout the tournament!
Exposure of the talent is what it is about! Not the big trailer!
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | The reason for not using the clear tanks is that it comes down to an image thing. I know, I to like seeing the fish in the clear tanks that the FLW use but I can recall one tournament last year that a lot of people would have been up in arms about seeing fish getting weighed in and not being in water. But this is the reason why the PWT does not use the clear tanks, also, biologists have shown that fish mortality in livewells that are blacked out and holding tanks like the big black cow tanks that fish mortality is better with the dark tanks. Another thing that has been proven that fish mortality rate with a water weigh-in such as the FLW is more for image. It's been proven that this kind of a weigh-in does not increase the chances any more than a non water weigh-in.
Now I will say this to any of you that doubt me on this. If the water weigh-ins such as the FLW events, Bass and Walleye. If it has been proven that fish mortality is better with water weigh-ins, then why wouldn't B.A.S.S and the PWT have water weigh-ins? If there was sufficient evidence showing that water weigh-ins are better for the fish, then I can bet you the PWT and B.A.S.S would be doing a water weigh-in. |
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