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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | bradley sitting here taking notes now.... he never learns anything wile he his talking.... but he is wishing everyone a great weekend also and good luck to the merc employes in fondy hope the best for all! |
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Location: Oshkosh, Wisconsin | Just how do we make that happen 894?
Pure capitalism is nothing but a pipe dream. Few places in the world ever practiced pure capitalism and we are certainly no exception.
Socialism is even a bigger pipe dream. There are entirely too many people willing to do just enough to get by instead of their fair share.
So what's left? Exactly what we have. A constantly evolving system of government that is supposed to do what's right for us all. That's a pretty tough target to hit. Cripes, it's hard enough for more than 3 people to agree on a relatively simple topic like the situation with Mercury, much less much more complicated issues like health care and the economy in general. After that, even if we could get most people to listen with an open mind to all sides of an issue, there are darn few of us that truly grasp the suddleties of these issues well enough to predict how they will respond to any action we might choose to make.
IMHO, all we can really hope for is that their are enough politicans out there that understand what makes our economy work and that they care enough to do the right thing even when it's not easy. How many politicians understand that it is not millionaire bankers, lawyers, and son's of senators that drive our economy? Consumers buy products - manufacturers make them. We need BOTH to understand that fact AND to act responsibly if things are going to get better.
With the attitude of the average joe today ("the man with the most toys wins"), I really don't see things getting better until a few more have hit rock bottom. I'm smart enough to survive (although the verdict is still out on my ability to operate a boiler...) and my kids will be prepared as well as I can prepare them. Beyond that, I really don't believe there is much anyone can do.
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | lol B.... Ah yes the great Walleyesfirst boiler debate! That was great! up until then all i knew about them was enough to stay the hell away because i watched the first Fredie kruger movie in the theator and have never been the same or watched onther since! lol Any way ya spose we cant solve the worlds proplems here. If you need me ill be upstairs in the basement with a needle and thread and some spandex i picked up at the goodwill... combined with my parachute pants from my freshman year. Now i just need to learn to fly and i can save the world... but we are going to have to hope that the people we send to office in the future and those there now wake up and do the hard thing to do and make the choices to put this country back on track so the people of this country can take advantage of there choices and build it back up. when choices dont leave the people of this country with the resources or incentive to prosper there will be little to build on. until then we will all have to streamline at home and i dont care if i havta run an old 16 ft with a 5hp tiller on the back i will get to my rock hump and i will catch my dinner! if i hafta pull the darn thing with a volkswagon rabbit i hafta fix up that i found in the junkyard.... |
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| I find it funny that the union guy is now complaining that it's not fair for others to decide the fate of his job. Isn't that exactly what they did when they voted last week or for that matter isn't that what unions do everyday in this country? |
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| Rich hold on a minute...you have changed my mind a number of times, if only for a second on this board. At least until I saw the (naky) pictures!!!!!!!
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| Was at business meetings all week with the partners. The operation is almost ready to go, and after 2 years of innovation and a little over $342,000 of investment between the four of us, WE will decide what the correct price for the product will be and what the appropriate wage for the workers will be. The job is very simple and the workers will be compensated appropriately but I can tell you this, if for any reason the work force decides to unionize and demand outrageous compensation for the work that is performed we will have no reservations on moving the operation somewhere else. |
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| RedNeck, I can't believe that you would make those workers work for what you consider a fair wage and not let them unionize and tell you what they are worth. After all all you did was invest years of your life and hundreds of thousands of dollars into your business. The worker graduated from high school (maybe) and filled out a job application. Don't you think that they deserve to tell you what they should be making and what benefits you should pay for and how much vacation they should get?
I always thought you were a good old boiy, now I see that you are just another greedy corporate business owner who doesn't care for the emplyee at all.
Boy was that hard typing like I was a union hack / liberal sheep! |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | RNT: Congrats on moving forward. Please let us know when you go public. I am more than willing to invest large sums of money into stock for this company as long as you can guarantee at least 15% profit annually. The profit margin is non-negotiable and you must do everything in your power to make this happen regardless if it means relocating, freezing salaries or cutting benefits. remember that as a major stockholder, you may own the company but i am really your boss. Readers note: For those with no sense of humor, the above comments are satire and a parody of the conditions of our economy. Had this been a real and actual thread, I would have begged for a job and told him I would never forgotten that he gave me the opportunity. But of course eventually I would call him a tyrant and demand that I deserve more of his profits. |
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| Additional satire for your entertainment purposes ONLY
And now from the other side of the mouth!
Congrats on finding these 4 investors and pulling together the seed money, your intelectual ability to communicate and negotiate with others is great and you should be compensated for such hard work. What is your investment and what is a "fair" ROI for embarking on this new opportunity to creat profit, jobs and even debt.
Is your risk any greater now than in 2-3 or 10 years when your new sales manager finds a Multi-Million dollar opportunity and you need additional capital, your floor plan just became the property of whom?
As you hire more and more skill sets each and everyone brings greater opportunity and potential and hence should be compensated? Who determines that fairness?
If you continue to grow and stay with the company are you and your 4 buddies still the only ones deserving of making millions how did you get there?
Ten years later when your taking a million dollar bonus and spending your winters in Mexico are you taking this in "fairness" just for having the gonads to take a risk with your buddies?
I'll say it again "The one with the most toys wins" we are a society of "Wants" while our "Needs" have changed, we still "want" more and for less.
Good Luck
Tyee
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | oh yes and remember as the major share holder and founder of this future massive capitalistic company you have to understand that your children will see the hard work you put in and the sacrifice , they will continue to build your dream wile you retire and relax on the beach as you enjoy your remaining years and reflect on the massive empire you have built. Your children will also put there sweat and tears into the company and continue to maintain and build in your absence. Ah yes and eventualy the 3rd generation will come along , The spoiled Grandkids sent to collage and now protesting capitalism and corperate greed. With a healthy trust fund and the abuility to live large without wanting to put fourth the commitmemt to continue the family lagacy they will either drive the company into the ground or sell it off to a group of investors who may do with it what they want. The company will now be run on complet stockholder money and anything available that can be transformed into profit will be sold. oh well... another you will have a good run! RNT God Speed and Rember.... Phase one... collect underpants!..... phase 3 ..Profit! |
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| Actually our game plan is simple. Since we have put everything at risk (including homes for some) our only goal is to squeeze the life out of the disadvantaged. We will hire all non-English speaking people so they do not understand when we are laughing at them and planning their demise as an employee. Not only will we take our share to reward ourselves for the risk we took, but we will also reward ourselves by taking more than we should from our workers who will dedicate their lives the daunting skill of using a putty knife, saw and banding machine. In the end we will be looking down on our slave camp that was built at the bottom of the hill from our average 2,500 square foot homes with a beer in our hands and say “We got them good boys, they never seen it coming!” |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | <p>umm RNT... i see a flaw in your master plan... You better stay away from any non english speaking folks or females , or folks of any type of color or even native american background... These groups have powerfull representation and are politicaly connected... Best to stick to White males and shoot for guys in there 40's . You will avoid any future trouble. it would be advantagus if you can hire individuals strapped with child support and beaten down by there now ex wives for years. These (cougars) as we now call them have beaten down your potential employee base so much that they will think of you as a saint and not even flinch when call them names or tell them to skip there lunch break and get the order filled. THIS IS IMPORTAN RNT! you are talking about the future of your GRANDchildren and there abuility to have the chance to use your 250 foot yaght to ram a whaleing ship 40 years from now! your talking about there abuility to have life by the you know what and go threw life smoking weed and picking out hats to wear at the kentucky derby. I would go over your master plan closely and im sure if you share more of your idias your freinds here on walleyesfirst would go out of there way to find anything that could potentialy foil your plan.</p><p>After thinking for a min... RNT you have a great potential employee base right here at walleyes first. We are all folks who can contribute , folks with experianced sales and marketing backgrounds, education back grounds , Boilers! heck You name it! And i dont wanna make any demands but if you build your plant and your big homes on the hill allong side some good walleye water and provide a small fleet of aluminum boats with reliable tillers on them ,,, then roll a few beers down the hill once in a wile from your big shack ... Well um... Ill be the first to re-locate and go to work! just a thaught!</p><p> </p><p> </p>
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| Just remember, in order to keep it a true employer/employee relationship the beer cans I roll down hill to you will be empty. |
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| Someone has way too much time on their hands, but nice! |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | maybe you would re-think that position partaining to empty beer cans when you see what we can do with a putty knife! were not talking about a top shelf brew here. Keep the spendy stuff for yourself and roll down some Shafers, Kingsburry, or Natural lite, maybe some of us potential job aplicants even have our own putty knives that we took home in our lunch boxes from our last employers and could save you the investment? im not mentioning any names but what if over the last year or two a lunch box could have privided a future employe of you with his own fork lift? i would keep an open mind RNT. |
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| A fork lift would ruin our ultimate plan to have the work force destroy their bodies from the heavy lifting, thus allowing management to deny better health care coverage with our ultimate goal of stomping on their dreams.
I will concede on your point, I will roll down cans that are full of beer to the workers, you have a good point. However the beer will be marked with expiration dates from 1982.
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | PRESS RELEASE Great News Negotiations With RNT inc and the future employees top secret union have anounce to all future employee's . Put the forklift back togather we wont need it ! WE GET OUR FREE BEER! Chalk one up for the little guy! woooooo hoooo! We have a deal Brothers! Sticken it to the man! thats what im talkin bout!
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| You got the name wrong......it's called Fuggem Industries. |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | RedNeckTech - 8/29/2009 11:56 AM You got the name wrong......it's called Fuggem Industries. ya what ever you wanna call it for now we Have FREE BEER! and We know who realy has who by the Nuts! RNT you better work on your negotiating because your future employee's will walk all over you! Hey RNT , I would like to introduce to you our new top secret Union boss. He is a bit of a hard nose. Your gonna wanna talk turkey but his name is Komo and i would recomend you Talk Chicken... preferably Brosted!
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| After they work in the harsh conditions we are purposely going to put into place along with no fork lifts and keeping them inebriated on cheap, expired beer, they will be in no condition to walk much less walk all over me. |
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| ya and i heard he came from Kentucky....from some form of bottling plant..I THINK it started with a name......Jack something.............something to look forward tooooooooooo |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | RedNeckTech - 8/29/2009 12:29 PM After they work in the harsh conditions we are purposely going to put into place along with no fork lifts and keeping them inebriated on cheap, expired beer, they will be in no condition to walk much less walk all over me. Ya Ya RNT talk talky talk talk.... I say we fire up the Boiler and build some of these misterius widgets and make you rich so we can get back to the negotiating table and trade in those old aluminum tillers for some Rangers with some good old American Black beuties on the Back! |
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| Easy now, only the most qualified person may run the boiler, we don't need our fuel costs needlessly high. Here at Fuggem Industries we take pride in the fact we have the correct and best knowledge on how to keep our company competitive in this down economy. We will not tolerate the waste of excess fuel expenditure.
We also will not re-negotiate and this is out of compassion for the worker. We feel the average worker should be spared the embarrassment of negotiating themselves out of a job.
Edited by RedNeckTech 8/29/2009 1:37 PM
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Location: Appleton wi | Healthy debates and opinions are great and like this thread is one but its like republican/democrate political talk there's 2 sides to every story and legit opinions that no one will change either opinion on what side they are on. There's no question this thread is powered by E-Cell batteries cause like the battery it just keeps going and going. I hope as far as mercury some kind agreement can be made to keep them here, having them moving away will be damaging to this part of the state ! |
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