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| Stacker, you an I have seen this comming a long ways off. The fact that "teams" should be formed is only one method to this madness. (teammates expect compensation, just saying you helped put the winner on the spot doesn't stroke the ego enough any more) AIM has the format down very well and it IS working. Making it formally a team event with Team rules as RNT wants is not necessary at that level but may be as they grow. Although, if that concept were adopted at a lower level I too believe it would need guidelines and regulation. Proeye has the funds to play his RIch Mans sport so why doesn't he and others like him build the model for the less fortunate. If Teams are here to stay you need a ladder to climb that follows that model! IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME. What say you Denny......should we do it?
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| "Much of what I write is to shed light on opposing views because the industry does not want to confront it or acknowledge it half the time and they have to be brought out. I do it because whatever damage gets thrown back does not affect me, others it would harm. Think what you will about my technique but it gets the viewpoint out there and by no means is that perception limited to just the walleye world. Yes I know many here fish many events and the knowledge and viewpoint are pretty solid on how things work within the tournament world...on the same note I work with 42 publication editors and am quite aware of the public perception and mood. " -RNT
I disagree, where are your facts to back up this statement?
From what I can gather there is a large part of the fishing industry that is in business to do one thing and that is to sell merchandise. In fact your 42 publications probably wouldn't be in business if it weren't for the AD space they are selling. Who's ads? The same ones trying to sell merchandise. If the team model is so incorrect by industry standards, then why is Gary Parson's and Keith Kavajecz's name all over so much merchandise for sale at Bass Pro Shops? Who are perhaps two of the best known fishermen in the walleye world.
Sorry, RNT, but your argument is beginning to sound like the Teacher in the Charlie Brown episodes.
Getting back to the topic at hand Teams in walleye fishing good? bad? I don't know, it's been a part of the game for so long does it matter? Some like to go alone, others like to work together. There is always a trust factor when you team up with others, the more mouths the more chance for info to be spilled. I've fished lone wolf and I've fished with teams in the past. The only regrets as a fisherman, is as a team it will keep people distancing themselves away from each other when really they could be fishing buddies. I've made some great friends fishing over the years, but I honestly think I could of made a few more if there weren't teams. |
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| the ladder was there but nobdy wanted to use it! the flw leauge , nawa , there was a couple other tournament out their, people did'nt support them, now you cry about it, goe fish the mws circuit , it's cheap, good payout, many god sticks ouy there, that series should have minium of 100 in every tourney but it don't, why don't you support it i do. |
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| Dear mr Eye IN for your information i fished every curcuit since 1979 last year i fished 15 teen different tournaments the manion mwc mws pwt flw aim nawa, research you data.Teams are here and they won't go away, and how do you now guys were talking on the radio on winnabago? if you are postive and you now for sure turn them in, other wise stop spreading gosip? ( i mean isn't that part of ethic's?) ALL HEAR SAY |
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| AGAIN EVRYONE MISSED WHAT I SAID EAEILIER, when tounament first started the manufactures pick out how there teams were, through out the years some split different ways, other teams or ect. even with all the information you get you still have catch the fish. |
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| this what i mean, you know what circuits there have been, Maion was first mwc was second pwt was 3 flw was 4 these have all touneys since 1979 mariner championship eect etc.. your funny i think these forums should your name only |
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| Jayman - 6/7/2010 3:14 PM
I disagree, where are your facts to back up this statement?
From what I can gather there is a large part of the fishing industry that is in business to do one thing and that is to sell merchandise. In fact your 42 publications probably wouldn't be in business if it weren't for the AD space they are selling. Who's ads? The same ones trying to sell merchandise. If the team model is so incorrect by industry standards, then why is Gary Parson's and Keith Kavajecz's name all over so much merchandise for sale at Bass Pro Shops? Who are perhaps two of the best known fishermen in the walleye world.
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If you don't want to look at a tiny fan base and factor that into any equation , and include the magical shrinking fishing magazines then fine, sit back and enjoy what you have. Discount the weekly interactions I have with the publications, that's fine too because my product keeps growing.
You are only concerned about the present base or what you choose to be the fan base not the pool of people that could be a fan base.
How is it fine to have a team effort in a sport built around individualism when every individual does not have a team? It is not that all others chose to fish alone because there are plenty that can't find a team that allows another in.
Explain that coherently and there will at least be a solid footing to base it on.
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| ummm how many tournament have you fished 1979? and how many freinds have you worked with before a tournament? |
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| "Mr. Parsons and Mr. Kavajecz" that would be two people in and individual sport. Is that coherent enough?
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| remember were talking about teams should there be or not? should all team members have the same boat or little flags on so everyone knows how they are what,, and as far as gary and keith the are great people they put alot work in the fishing industire, thier in the hall of fame ,,exactly what the sport needs, |
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| prefishing nowdays, consisit of looking at our great electronic maps we have, google earth, local fishing sites, talking to locals, sportsshop, their alot of local' s that love to go and prefish with you, cyperfishing things have changed since 1979, thats when you had cover all the water to find fish. |
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| i don't rember them in tuffys but i do rember the skeeters with 135 on them they were fast,, only gear is foward, and i have alot of stock in coke LOL |
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| Jig-A-Whopper, Gary Snyder....oh the stories.
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| My Pyle:
Your bio says that you have been a fishing pro since 1979, a tournament director for 6 years, and you love to teach people to fish,
31 years is a very long time in this industry. You must do a great deal more for your sponsors than just fish to survive that long. Do you write articles too?
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| hey gomer.. yes i do articles, alot of seminars, work with kids, permote fishing, tournaments are fun , ive been doing it to long, i don't care about stats, you d get to meet alot of nice people. alot of my sponsors i have been with for years, im very loyal to them, but most of my sponsor would rather me fish alot of local tournaments talk to people show them the products, they really don't care if i fish the others, it doesn't help them. these forum are all fun and games, entertanment if you know what i mean.  |
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| what ever happen to kaz is he still alive? great tounament director great guy i still can't picture him as state trooper,,hey those tuffy boats look the same as back then but only with bigger gunales lol just smile steve |
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Location: Rhinelander | Kaz is retired and living in Georgia, I believe. He was a Franklin, WI police officer, if I remember correctly, before taking on the MWC job and retiring from the force.
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| wasn't jig a whooper the hot lure then i still have a bunch, my wife cut the hook of and used them for ear rings, so what about teams? |
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| hey rnt i was just talking to a fisher person on a different chat, then i remebered somthing? i have to be carfull what i say because i might be starting a team? now what, i will put on flag on my boat if i have a team so everyone knows  |
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Location: mille lacs, mn. | RNT - 6/7/2010 6:40 PM
What is ironic is I was talking about funny stories and again it gets taken the wrong way...LOL got to love it.
It's amazing that the likes of RNT is so frowned on here , when in fact, ALL successful major league sports marketing depts. thrive on the type of fan RNT is. If only we had several 100K of the same passionate type fan he is. Wake up and invite more of the RNT's of the world! Your ad rates/revenue might just go up......
For the record....didn't the Manion Series start in '84, not '79? Was the first one in early June of '84 on Lake Mille Lacs, out of Terry's Boat Harbor on the west side?
Edited by Steve Fellegy 6/7/2010 7:46 PM
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| yes your right,, it,s been a long time ago but they were fun times the years might be a little , but is was before planner boards were invented rnt is great i want him as my fan |
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Location: Rhinelander | I was hoping to draw out ideas and opinions by posing the question, and several folks have offered thoughtful and insightful comments, a few were RNT's. Stacker, interesting...I heard similar thoughts from an industry leader recently.
By the way, I don't have an personal preference one way or the other. Teams or no teams, I'll point a camera and get the story if I can.
Back to the original question now, I hope. |
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| PROEYE. there never was a ladder to what Stacker and I have been talking about. the ladder you are refering to had the first three steps broken and no one liked where it went as RNT has eluded to and everyone has plugged their ears to over the years, we aren't cryin about it only saying that the current "team" format is broke and needs fixing!
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| Some of you are confusing me. Are you suggesting that Parsons and Kavajecz work as individuals during a tournament? Nothing could be further from the truth. They have one of the best teams out there.
Tyee,
You say that AIM gets it and has the right model. Again, are you suggesting that teams do not exist in AIM tournaments. This is not true. |
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