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Location: Berlin | My reputation means a whole lot more to me then winning. If I have to push the ethical envelope in order to win I won't play. |
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Location: mille lacs, mn. | Rich S - 8/24/2010 2:11 PM
My reputation means a whole lot more to me then winning. If I have to push the ethical envelope in order to win I won't play.
And I surely respect that! I was just pointing out how the so called nice guys usually think in the process of winning. In the real world.....at the highest levels of any competition. That said...one can play tough and mean and still have a good reputation. I can name many that do. In ALL sports. That's how winners win consistently. Like it or not!
And by the way--an edit from my previous posting--I meant to use the word "can't", NOT "can" in this sentence....."If you can handle that or think it should be anything but that...don't play with the big boys".
Edited by Steve Fellegy 8/24/2010 2:38 PM
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Location: Berlin | "if it's within the rules...you play as tough and as hard as you can to win. Mean,not so nice or whatever...means nothing. It's ALL about winning."-Steve F
I am sure you did not mean it this way but this could be taken as you condone tailpiping, net dropping etc.
Trust me, I am no pushover. You try to move in on me in my spot and crowd me you will find out that it is not going to happen but I sure in the heck will NOT do "anything it takes" to win. Even if it is within the rules.
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| Okay Tuff Guys, what is net dropping? Sounds like cheating. |
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Location: Berlin | Tuff guys huh, I will give you Tuff guys... 
Net dropping is when you are driving to your next spot when on the way you see a net and suddenly say to yourself "This might be a good spot to try".
I put it right up there with guys looking in you boat right after the tournament to see what color jigs you were using... 
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Location: mille lacs, mn. | Rich S - 8/24/2010 2:47 PM
"if it's within the rules...you play as tough and as hard as you can to win. Mean,not so nice or whatever...means nothing. It's ALL about winning."-Steve F
quote: I am sure you did not mean it this way but this could be taken as you condone tailpiping, net dropping etc.
Trust me, I am no pushover. You try to move in on me in my spot and crowd me you will find out that it is not going to happen but I sure in the heck will NOT do "anything it takes" to win. Even if it is within the rules. end quote
Believe me, I am old school and don't like any of it. BUT!! I also realize, to be a winner, sometimes you gotta do what ya gotta do--IF you want to get to the top.
Just like I hate what it takes to market major league sports. But if we don't market the good, the bad and the ugly parts of Pro fishing, it will never grow. In fact, a good battle on the water and then after the event, on camera would serve our sport well! I don't have to like it ....but I have to accept it or not play the game.
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Location: Lincolnshire, IL | Rich S - 8/24/2010 4:08 PM
I put it right up there with guys looking in you boat right after the tournament to see what color jigs you were using... ;)
OK, what is a jig? |
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Location: Berlin | A jig is a worthless bait that pipe dreamers believe you can win tournaments with. That rumor has been busted and we know now you must use a crankbait if you plan on making any money. |
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Location: mille lacs, mn. | Rich S - 8/24/2010 4:57 PM
A jig is a worthless bait that pipe dreamers believe you can win tournaments with. That rumor has been busted and we know now you must use a crankbait if you plan on making any money.
I roomed with Seelhoff for 10 PWT seasons. He tried to drill that into my head. Being hard-headed, I finally agreed with him in the 12th year. Now I'm too lazy to use livebait.
Now, am I a form of tail-piper you'aaallll talk about, if I copied his techniques? LOL
If so, every dang one of you that use long leaders with various forms of livebait rigs, are too!! You'aaalll tail-piped me!! So there....now I'm outta here on this thread--unless you force me to bite my lip too hard with future comments on this.LOL |
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| It was a beautiful first day of the Wild Wild Walleye Tournament. The way-point Jerry just entered was with great joy, for a large basket of fish were currently swimming within the livewell. The ultimate spot proved itself once again, for many limits have been taken from beneath its warm stained waters. Unfortunately, this limit of fish came with a dark side; for danger was lurking! Near the shadowy shoreline, was Stacker, ever inching his way towards the waypoint where no Drop-n-Stay has gone before. Luckily for Jerry he noticed the undercover walleye boat, with all its new applied skull and crossbones wrap and immediately started reading all articles in the latest Walleye Wars fishing magazine, for his wondrous way-point must be protected. Collision was certainly to occur; until an angler on the northwest side, spied the freshly wrapped boat and immediately deployed his boat too. This Viking was currently hunting Dented Boat, but getting between Stacker and Jerry must be dealt with first. As the three captains closed, the game was on! One zigged and the other zagged as all three nearly collided with each other. The spot was almost lost to the intruder but Walleye Wars saved the day. Remember, the next time your spot is in jeopardy, as you send your 10 very best crankbaits to the Lurepresentation Foundation.
Larry
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Location: Berlin | lol, bored? |
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| The names in this highly classified tail were changed to protect the innocent. Enjoy! |
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Location: Neenah, WI | Steve, a long leader with some sort of live bait? What an interesting concept. I'll just bet that'll work in certain places. I'll have to give it a try sometime. |
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| ya but....dale woyms don't wok well unwes u bend da hook a bit and make em spin |
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| Rich S - 8/24/2010 3:08 PM I put it right up there with guys looking in you boat right after the tournament to see what color jigs you were using... ;) That is why I always throw all my gear overboard before heading to the weigh in. (It's OK, because I fish on a team, so we make lots of money.) |
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| Gotcha, 'nother form of tailpiping.
Reminds me of a WWA back in da day. Chad Carroll and I got plenty of bites on our net fakes. hahaha |
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Location: Orland Park, IL | No tailpipers here. MWC at the dam spring valley
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | The old saying whats good for the goose is good for the gander. Make this rule and see who takes advantage of it.
If the leaders want a spot to themselfs on the last day of competition only, then they can have the right to the spot. If anyone else has GPS tracks that prove they were there as well, they may play there again as well. BUT, if any of them leave that spot they may not fish anywhere else. If they think the winning fish are there, they can win. |
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| Come on Stacker...you can do better than that..........these are schooling fish.
Seems this has turned into a different thread....tailpiping or teams? Or just another way to get around a bouy rule? I guess if there are teams it's easier to justify your tailpiping. Your team is so LARGE someone on it MUST have prefished it for you before huh! Therefore you have every right to crowd in on someone,,,,now I get it.
Hummmmmmmmmm...
I can see a new show already...who wants to watch a classic when they can watch Walleye Warriors.
Good Luck
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Jayman.... net raising.....lol.... Part of the game plan or were you just trying to make new friends? jk |
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| Rich...gotta love the jig chasers, whats even better are the out of towners that wait down the road from the baitshop. They wait for the guides to pick up their clients and follow them to the hot lake!
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| We netted a perch did high fives and got some company, we later netted a big ball of weeds did high fives and got more company.
The bite sucked, if memory serves me correctly there were 6 fish caught out of 36 boats. |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | My favorite net chasing incident:
A well known pro from the Saginaw Bay area had many issues in a 2-3 year period with net chasers and tailpipers. After the first day of a local tourney he was in first place. On day two, he devised a plan to get the chasers and followers off his bite. He went to a spot that he knew was full of northern pike. On this first pass through the area he put a 6-8 lb pike in the boat, with many boats in his wake and other arriving on the spot. He and his partner whooped it up and exchanged high five and back slaps, celebrating the first "hog" of the day while holding the net high enough for everyone to see. They continued to troll in a direction away from the crowd and, while staying low, they reeled in all their lines. Once they were 300-400 yards from the followers they fired up the big motor, put it on plane, and left the area. Nobody got their equipment in fast enough to follow them. They doubled the weight of their nearest competitor on their way to the win.
Fast forward to an RCL qualifier in 2002 on Saginaw Bay. I draw this particular guy as my partner on Day 1. We proceeded to pound the big eyes, with around 30 lbs for 5 fish by 9 am. We caught them all on Tots. Since this was a qualifier and the weights went to zero after Day 2 we knew we had plenty to qualify. He made sure he made the rounds to EVERY community hole on the Bay, as we put an easy 125 miles on the boat that day, making sure to talk with at least 1-2 competitors in each spot so it was possible we got this big limit there. The last thing he did was genius: since our bite was all on cranks he made sure to put Pa's spinners on every line. We barely wet a line after the first spot. He also had a bag of crawler dirt in the boat and we made sure to rub some on our shirts, hats, legs, and grind it into our hands!!! When we got up on the stage he made sure to talk about how Jerry did a great job baiting each spinner with crawlers and how it would take an hour or two to clean the boat up from all the craler dirt in it!!! I will never forget that one!!
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Location: Oshkosh, Wisconsin | "As a boat would make attempts to move in on us the 2nd day...we backed up our boats (both big tillers were hovering as we rigged) wide open right at the intruders--chasing them off and sending the clear message! "
I know I am going to regret this, but.... what you did there was wrong. Period. IMHO, you be DQ'ed from a tournament for behaving like that. Behave like that around me, and I will call the authorites and attempt to get you arrested.
I don't like it either, but there is NOTHING in the tournament rules that makes tail-piping illegal. HOWEVER, operating your boat in a manner that is unsafe clearly is against state law and as such, should get you booted from the tournament for behaving so.
I would NEVER intentionally crowd someone in an area that I did not pre-fish and I would NEVER follow an event leader to a spot if I had pre-fished it or not. That said, if I'm in the middle of the pack and the spot I choose to fish on day two happens to be the same one as the leaders, TOO BAD, I'm fishing there. I typically don't pay a lot of attention to other boats, so the likelyhood that I would even be able to recognize a boat in contention is pretty small.
Likewise, if I got released late on Day 1 of an event and wanted to fish a small one or two boat spot but couldn't because someone beat me there I have EVERY right to try to beat them there on day two. Boat number doesn't provide sqatters rights to spots we both pre-fished.
Brad Bahls, Internet Tuff-guy
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Team "Jello Pudding"
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Location: Orland Park, IL | What an entertaining thread. I love it.
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| I agree with a lot of what Brad said. I would also submit the following:
- Just because YOU didn't see me prefish the spot doesn't mean I didn't.
- We all have spots we don't NEED to prefish. In some conditions, we know the fish will be there. So I may not have GPS tracks on a spot, but I may have fished it enough in the past to know it will produce. If I happen to be boat #1 and get to it first, I don't care if you sat on it 24-7 the three days before the tournament. |
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