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Location: Badgerland | WOO HOO!!!! I HAVE 200TH POST !!!! WHAT DO I WIN ? DOCK N STAY ???? |
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| Poker players only need shades, hats, good luck charms, poker faces, and entry fees! Very cheap by comparison.
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Location: Badgerland | Rich S - 9/2/2010 5:16 PM
If you get the 500th you got it :)
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | Troy, your user listing only shows 152 posts. Whereas I have 846. Hey Rich, where in the heck is my Duece? You said you would give me one for my birthday which was yesterday. |
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Location: Badgerland | Horshak - 9/2/2010 7:16 PM
Troy, your user listing only shows 152 posts. Whereas I have 846. Hey Rich, where in the heck is my Duece? You said you would give me one for my birthday which was yesterday.
lmao... 200th on this thread !!! you better concintrate on making the NTC GO GETEM BUDDY !!! |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | Horshak,
This is a very giving site, If you want someone to drop you a deuce I'm sure someone will volunteer!! |
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| jerry - 9/2/2010 8:34 PM Horshak, This is a very giving site, If you want someone to drop you a deuce I'm sure someone will volunteer!! Eventually, every thread ends up here, doesn't it? That's why I love this place. |
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Location: LaCrosse, WI | I think this is the first post in WF that took longer than 20 posts for the post to go that route. You guys are slipping. |
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Location: mille lacs, mn. | LurePresentation - 9/2/2010 5:18 PM
Poker players only need shades, hats, good luck charms, poker faces, and entry fees! Very cheap by comparison.
Larry
Amazingly...you guys keep talking about people becoming fishermen. Trying to create fishermen. Trying to get fishermen to become fans. Trying to make the sport affordable for more people. That's been the marketing game plan, to grow the $$ in competitive fishing, for 27 years of walleye and over 40 years of bass fishing. It DON"T work!! Forget about creating/marketing the "game" itself first and foremost. That ain't what poker did and or any other sports marketing companies did, to create fans enough to grow the VALUE of any successful sport. The VALUE is NOT in people playing the game directly. The VALUE is in the non-player element of the sport. Get enough fans and the endemic aspect will sell more product and not even have to be in the forefront of all the advertising.
Stand on the street corner and do surveys of any sports fan you want. It ALWAYS will show, most know nothing much about the game itself. Most will know all kinds of stuff about the real life stuff indirectly related to every aspect of the sport. (players, owners, agents, legal issues, negotiations, money issues--both good and sad, former players history and later in life stories, fund raising for community projects etc. etc.) Why? Because that's ALL they comprehend and care about that the media/marketing teams get out to them. The numbers are too small to create big value, of the fans that do know and care about the fundamental aspects of the sport.
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| Steve Fellegy - 9/3/2010 7:20 AM The VALUE is NOT in people playing the game directly. The VALUE is in the non-player element of the sport. I don't know how you can say that. Just look at tournament bass fishing. It is way bigger than walleye. Why? Because more people friggin' participate in it! Not because they have some awesome marketing guy. I agree, it would be awesome to attract a huge fan base of people who don't fish or tournament fish. Good luck with that. No other non-physical, non-motorsport activity on the planet has been able to do it. Not one. |
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| Thumper? Whos getting Rich in the Bass World, How many players have multi-Million dollar contracts?
(excluding Irwin)
Your going to tell me Thumper...that Fishing is not Physical? Now that IS funny,.....Tell that to any one of the guys in Winnebigosh today.....lol And why would fishing be a non-motorized sport? Why can't someone in the fishing sport get a contract like Michael Schumacher of 125 mil, or Fernando Alonso 160 mil.
Of course these are all "Athletes" Maybe instead of calling them professional fishermen we need to start calling them fishing athletes.
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| tyee - 9/3/2010 9:16 AM Your going to tell me Thumper...that Fishing is not Physical? Now that IS funny,.....Tell that to any one of the guys in Winnebigosh today.....lol Good Luck Tyee I hope you are joking... |
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Location: Berlin | Steve Fellegy - 9/3/2010 7:20 AM
LurePresentation - 9/2/2010 5:18 PM
Poker players only need shades, hats, good luck charms, poker faces, and entry fees! Very cheap by comparison.
Larry
Amazingly...you guys keep talking about people becoming fishermen. Trying to create fishermen. Trying to get fishermen to become fans. Trying to make the sport affordable for more people. That's been the marketing game plan, to grow the $$ in competitive fishing, for 27 years of walleye and over 40 years of bass fishing. It DON"T work!! Forget about creating/marketing the "game" itself first and foremost. That ain't what poker did and or any other sports marketing companies did, to create fans enough to grow the VALUE of any successful sport. The VALUE is NOT in people playing the game directly. The VALUE is in the non-player element of the sport. Get enough fans and the endemic aspect will sell more product and not even have to be in the forefront of all the advertising.
Stand on the street corner and do surveys of any sports fan you want. It ALWAYS will show, most know nothing much about the game itself. Most will know all kinds of stuff about the real life stuff indirectly related to every aspect of the sport. (players, owners, agents, legal issues, negotiations, money issues--both good and sad, former players history and later in life stories, fund raising for community projects etc. etc. ) Why? Because that's ALL they comprehend and care about that the media/marketing teams get out to them. The numbers are too small to create big value, of the fans that do know and care about the fundamental aspects of the sport.
Actually Steve, that is EXACTLY what poker did. Pokers money came from the inside by increasing the number of players. This happend for on big reason, the pocket cam. This turned out to be the greatest teaching tool ever and people caught on and said "hey, I can do that!".
Poker is a game that anyone can play with basically zero money up front. The world series of poker was in two buildings this year because they had so many participants. Do you think every one of them paid $10,000 to get in?? We have local tournament circuits that you can win a seat into the WSOP. It is a realistic goal for the average Joe to get into the WSOP. Can you say that about fishing??
Like I said earlier you need to stop with the unrealistic comparisons. The sooner we realize fishing will never be the NFL or PGA we can start pushing the sport to its full potential. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Steve Fellegy - 9/3/2010 7:20 AM
Amazingly...you guys keep talking about people becoming fishermen. Trying to create fishermen. Trying to get fishermen to become fans. Trying to make the sport affordable for more people. That's been the marketing game plan, to grow the $$ in competitive fishing, for 27 years of walleye and over 40 years of bass fishing. It DON"T work!! Forget about creating/marketing the "game" itself first and foremost. That ain't what poker did and or any other sports marketing companies did, to create fans enough to grow the VALUE of any successful sport. The VALUE is NOT in people playing the game directly. The VALUE is in the non-player element of the sport. Get enough fans and the endemic aspect will sell more product and not even have to be in the forefront of all the advertising.
Stand on the street corner and do surveys of any sports fan you want. It ALWAYS will show, most know nothing much about the game itself. Most will know all kinds of stuff about the real life stuff indirectly related to every aspect of the sport. (players, owners, agents, legal issues, negotiations, money issues--both good and sad, former players history and later in life stories, fund raising for community projects etc. etc.) Why? Because that's ALL they comprehend and care about that the media/marketing teams get out to them. The numbers are too small to create big value, of the fans that do know and care about the fundamental aspects of the sport.
STEVE 180 Degrees off. talk to sports fans and they know about the game before they care about the other stuff you speak of, but mind you, they do care about the other stuff. you put the cart before the horse. HOWEVER, ask any sports fan how the game is played and they will tell you and fanatic fans know all the other stuff you speak of.
As far as players not being a focus, I disagree. Lots of people who are fans of baseball football played the sport. They never made it to the pro's but always dreamed. THE FANS TODAY CAN STILL DREAM vicariously through there heros. Fishing needs to keep breeding that. I disagree that the field doesn't need more players, 50 is not enough. The junior circuits need to keep playing and the fan base will grow as the junior circuit guys associate there stories with one of the guys at the top stories. That is the key element that needs to be done. The stories of the top pros need to be published so fans can associate with them and see themselfs. |
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| thumper no I am not joking, I know MANY guys who have had back surgery or some long term effects from this sport. Numerous co-anglers I have talked to that have said they couldn't ever fish like that on a regular basis. Why not compare it to Racing and the guys who sit in a car the entire time instead of 600hp we have boats with 300hp. Or I guess maybe thats why Golfers can't use a cart either? lol That must make them Athletes too.
Rich, I understand your take on Poker, but lets look at Formula One, numerous 100million dollar contracts for drivers... Nothing against the Europeans and driving on the wrong side of the road but did the autoban really create their drivers? Their fan base potential is a tenth of that in the US. Yet they are richer than Nascar? Why can't fishing do it?
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Location: Berlin | Simple, fishing is not racing, there are no crashes. The average person that DOES NOT FISH finds fishing to be boring. We all drive cars and we all think we could drive race cars. Why is that they have toy race cars outside of supermarkets?? Kids pay to dream they are driving a race car. Racing IS exciting to a lot more people then fishing is. That is the reason.
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Location: Berlin | tyee - 9/3/2010 9:16 AM
Thumper? Whos getting Rich in the Bass World, How many players have multi-Million dollar contracts?
(excluding Irwin)
Your going to tell me Thumper...that Fishing is not Physical? Now that IS funny,.....Tell that to any one of the guys in Winnebigosh today.....lol And why would fishing be a non-motorized sport? Why can't someone in the fishing sport get a contract like Michael Schumacher of 125 mil, or Fernando Alonso 160 mil.
Of course these are all "Athletes" Maybe instead of calling them professional fishermen we need to start calling them fishing athletes.
Good Luck
Tyee
How many of the trollers out there could even run a 50yrd dash without having a heart attack? When you can eat 3 bags of potato chips during a tournament I would not call that a physical sport |
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| Not Exciting?.....maybe thats the message huh...make it more exciting for those outside the sport? Like I said in the beginning, you need Beer, hot chicks and good looking athletes. Maybe someday there will be a trout pond in front of every walmart too! Is that why you gave up trolling, to get back in shape..........
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| It doesn't take tremendous strength or physical skill to fish. People watch figure skating, MMA and even golf because they do.
Is it tough sometimes, can it wear on you, yes. But it is not an integral part of the sport. We have lots of fat, out of shape pros who fish well. |
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Location: Berlin | You nailed it! Here is the problem, fishing is boring. Without compromising the integrity of the sport I am not sure there is a way to make it exciting. There have been some great ideas that have come and gone especially in the bass world. After seeing those innovations fail I am very skeptical that it can be done. AIM is on the right track and I am looking forward to where they take the sport.
Can we grow the sport...YES. Will it ever be NFL/PGA...NO CHANCE!
BTW, nice burn on me getting back in shape. Cudos
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Location: mille lacs, mn. | Stacker, Thumper and....
The day you sit down and meet with the biggest sports marketing gurus in the country, get back to me on how you view things. Until then....My heads hurts! |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | Rich,
I'm a troller and I just competed in my first triathlon last weekend. Does that qualify me? |
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Location: Berlin | See what happens when you take a break from trolling for a while! Congrats |
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| Steve Fellegy - 9/3/2010 12:26 PM Stacker, Thumper and.... The day you sit down and meet with the biggest sports marketing gurus in the country, get back to me on how you view things. Until then....My heads hurts! I think you mean, the day they sit down with me. Then we might accomplish something.
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