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| Steve - I certainly agree with what you are saying.... It's just that sometimes people seem to forget that some of the banter that goes on in these threads is not good for the sport. You never know who is reading and watching. There is a way to disagree with someone and not beat them to the carpet. And you are right, we all have opinions about team pre-fishing and to each their own. Me personally - I just don't believe theirs an audience interested in following this sport until either they (fans. general public) are either made privvy to those team members or the entire format is revised to level the playing field. Trying to fish "old" bodies of water against them as a newbie is a rather steep hill to climb and does NOTHING to entice new blood into this rather spendy sport. Thanks for your reply and your website. Kurt |
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Location: LaCrosse, WI | KTurner UL - 6/22/2010 7:34 AM
Me personally - I just don't believe theirs an audience interested in following this sport until either they (fans. general public) are either made privvy to those team members or the entire format is revised to level the playing field. Trying to fish "old" bodies of water against them as a newbie is a rather steep hill to climb and does NOTHING to entice new blood into this rather spendy sport. Thanks for your reply and your website. Kurt
Thank You Kurt. This is what I have been trying to say as well. I should have just said it that way right away. The days of guys being willing to travel all over the country to fish new water for events are over, which leaves us with waters that most of the veterans have fished many many times.
I would rather put my money up against that competition, teams or not to fish some body of water that I'm sure they've not spent a lot of time on either. That's how you can truly test yourself against them. Fishing against a team of anglers who've fished events on that water for 20 years is completely different. It's not impossible, but it's not the wisest move ever.
The attitude many have given about "Just man up and fish and prove yourself" only further alienates the potential new blood. That's another thing we as anglers need to improve on. We need to welcome new players into the game. We need to make sure they get treated well enough to come back again and again (no, I don't want you to give them your spots etc... just don't be a jerk to them). Every one person that gets treated poorly by a tournament angler or organization probably tells 100 people about their experience.
We get a bad enough rap the way it is. If people truly want things to get better, it has to come from each and every one of us. The FLW is not going to do it for you, AIM may try and may help the cause, but it's the anglers that can make the difference. |
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| I see the south park episode is still going.
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | bottom line comes down to cash flow. the entire argument for teams, or stepping stones or a chance to compete in the big show on an even playing field still comes down to cash flow! follow the money. economy or whatever.. name the sport.. racing , golf , competitive fishing, poker, whatever. if you have the checkbook to handle the ups and downs for a long enough period of time ... you can become a winner. you need a bit of tallent but most comes down to money and time invested learning. in racing anything .... you need top notch engin builders and must be willing to pay the big bucks for an extra horsepower or two. there is always a car builder with an edge. golf... did you grow up with a membership and learn the game from experianced teachers? or put in your time yourself... you will still hafta starve on the mini tour till you qualify for the big shows... fishing? get out the checkbook! guys would run credit cards to 30 grand trying to live the walleye fishing dream! they would maybe have a 5 year plan and set asside 15 years of savings to give it a shot.. spend inheritance or whatever to chase the dream.... Poof Gone! last year i would say half the heavy hitters lost there boat deal! most sold a boat or two a year and after the deal they got on electronics bow mount boat trailer and motor they could sell there rigs for some extra cash... Not much but it paid next years tournament registration fee's with some modest sponsorship or in most cases (a real job on the side) they could afford to fish the pwt, Flw, AIM or whatever. things have changed and will get worse before they get better. there are those who have planned and made some good choices in life or helped there grandfathers and fathers build buisness that can servive in these hard times. i would say half the field is make up of tournament anglers with product marketed in the fishing industry and the other half are made up of folks with a checkbook. oh ya and you need time to play the game... weeks away from work. for the rest of the walleye fisherman who are out there who would love to play ball.... hey.. Face it... you may not have the checkbook.... you cant servive on tournament winnings! NO ANGLER EVER HAS THAT I KNOW OF!!!!!! EVER! find a way to make money in the industry or out of it to support your tournament dream thats the hard truth. companies lookin to sponsor something if they have money to write off! will support there grandchildrens or familys dreams before the offer it to you! ( UNLESS YOU CAN FIND A WAY TO MAKE THEM MONEY) as far as teams... these teams are made up of guys trying to servive another year, or guys who have created frendship and another family on the road. nothing more than that... oh and there were reports of possible cell phone abuse again in the last few weeks and if i ever see this going on in a tournament im turning the boys in!!!!!!!!!!!! i have had enough of the sh**! wondering when others will too! a pre-fishing team and sharing expenses is one thing... Breaking the rules on the water durrung a tournament is THEFT! and your stealing from your fellow anglers and people you call freinds! im getting pizzed! |
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| Did anyone else catch Gary Parson's soap box speach during the final day of the AIM weigh in? I thought it was very well spoken and thought out. Yet I felt a little uneasy about it. He had a problem with complainers in regards to teams in walleye fishing. I think it was directed at this thread. Yes some complain and are against it. We are all entitled to an opinion. I don't have a problem with it, I just want to understand it better. I don't like the secrecy. I fished as a co angler and got some first hand knowledge of teams and how they operate. Most anglers are open about which was suprising. They didn't even think twice about on the water communications. It is also easy to see that teams have an advantage. |
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Location: LaCrosse, WI | I caught it and thought it was interesting. Gary seemed pretty passionate about it, maybe even irritated. He did a pretty good job with it. Like you said, I don't know exactly what I thought of it, but I wasn't offended or more turned off by it. |
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Location: Berlin | Summary??? I did not get to see it. Is it on video somewhere? |
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Location: Rhinelander | Gary has allot of passion for the sport, and is truly one of the pioneers. I think he was trying to impress upon folks the reality of competitive angling for walleyes, and IMO did a good job. |
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Location: LaCrosse, WI | He basically pointed out that he never saw Keith on the water during the tournament and that he only saw Chase once. He also pointed out how far apart they finished. He spoke about the fish he caught on the final day and how he was far away from the crowds and it's possible for one person to find their own fish. |
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Location: Berlin | I wish I would have been there to hear it.
BTW, I loved Robert Blosser's response to his win. He was not shy about who he teamed up with and used the term "we". Shows a lot of character. |
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| You can see Gary in the AIM rewind part 2
http://www.aimfishing.com/video.asp?id=2683
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| Parsons' talk about teams should be in here somewhere...
http://www.aimfishing.com/video.asp?id=2683
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | ERGENT!!!!! IMIDIATE OPENINGS ON A MAJOR 17 BOAT TEAM! JOIN THE BIG NAMES ! JOIN OUR CLUB! LEARN THE SECRET HANDSHAKE! HEAR ALL THE GOOD WAR STORIES! FORM INSTANT FREINDSHIPS WITH OVERE 30 ANGLERS INSTANTLY! INTERVIEWS WILL BE HELD AFTER A SMALL TEST GIVEN TO INTERESTED POTENTIAL MEMBERS! WE ARE LOOKING FOR ANYONE WHO IS CATCHING WALLEYES CURRENTLY ON LAKE WINNIBAGGO! THE TEST WILL BE A 4 HOUR FISHING CONTEST ON SATURDAY MORNING AND MEMBERS WILL BE CHOSEN BASED ON RESULTS! WE ARE LOOKING TO ADD ONLY A FEW TEAMS TO THIS TOP NOTCH ELIET GROUP! ALL DESISIONS WILL BE MADE PRIOR TO THE MWS TOURNAMENT RULES MEATING AND WINNERS WILL BE GUEST SPEAKERS AT OUR TEAM DINNER ON SATURDAY NIGHT! THANK YOU AND CONTACT ME PERSONALY AT TAILPIPERS++++++ @ YAHOO.COM THANK YOU! |
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Location: Omro,Wi. | bradley894 - 8/4/2010 11:54 AMERGENT!!!!! IMIDIATE OPENINGS ON A MAJOR 17 BOAT TEAM! JOIN THE BIG NAMES ! JOIN OUR CLUB! LEARN THE SECRET HANDSHAKE! HEAR ALL THE GOOD WAR STORIES! FORM INSTANT FREINDSHIPS WITH OVERE 30 ANGLERS INSTANTLY! INTERVIEWS WILL BE HELD AFTER A SMALL TEST GIVEN TO INTERESTED POTENTIAL MEMBERS! WE ARE LOOKING FOR ANYONE WHO IS CATCHING WALLEYES CURRENTLY ON LAKE WINNIBAGGO! THE TEST WILL BE A 4 HOUR FISHING CONTEST ON SATURDAY MORNING AND MEMBERS WILL BE CHOSEN BASED ON RESULTS! WE ARE LOOKING TO ADD ONLY A FEW TEAMS TO THIS TOP NOTCH ELIET GROUP! ALL DESISIONS WILL BE MADE PRIOR TO THE MWS TOURNAMENT RULES MEATING AND WINNERS WILL BE GUEST SPEAKERS AT OUR TEAM DINNER ON SATURDAY NIGHT! THANK YOU AND CONTACT ME PERSONALY AT TAILPIPERS++++++ @ YAHOO.COM THANK YOU! I don't care who you are THAT'S FUNNY! |
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