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| Wi laws are 5 fish per day per person. What didn't I convey properly. Shep Tourney fishing IS only one person it is not TEAM. If you put 6 in the well you are breaking the law, you know that and maybe it has been done that way for years but it's wrong.
How many boats bring in limits at the last minute. There were very few at Otter or Merc last year that came in early so don't tell me that culling wasn't going on. This change now makes it more understandable that culling isn't allowed and frowned upon by others but yet still allows you to fish the rest of the day looking for the kicker. maybe perception was the key for the change but it is a good one.
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| Just so I have this clear:
Once a fish is put into the livewell it becomes part of the team's eight "posession limit" that the tournament allows. The only way you can remove that fish from your livewell, is to weigh it, or have it released by the tournament staff, in addition to the (5) that you did weigh. (I personally, can not legally release any fish that has been in the well) Or, after weigh-in, I kill the (3) remaining fish, and take them home for the table.
Correct???
With all of this discussion, I feel like I'm missing something... |
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| You can not release a fish once it hits the livewell. This is apparently something Tyee does not understand and is making it confusing for you. |
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| I know someone who won Merc a few years ago. From what I understand, they do cover quite a few topics like culling in the lie detector. They are pretty serious about making sure the winners did not cheat. Lets not forget some years back when a certain team was DQ'd for failing the lie detector. Maybe Jim O. can shed some light if he is allowed to talk about it. At least I know I won't have to worry about it, it's been quite a while since I've had to worry about having too many fish in that tournament. We're always on the right size fish, just can't seem to catch enough of them. Maybe this year. |
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| News flash.....as long as there are team tourneys there will be teams that cull until a better system comes along weather it be a tag system or some other means to idnetify each fish caught and kept in posession.
As for the culling issue, that's only one issue, bring in all the other good stuff with cell phones, text messaging, squatters holding a spot...etc. etc. etc. the list goes on. As long as their is money involved there will always be cheaters involved.
And yes, Tyee.....I do view you as anti-tourney. Why is it you ALWAYS.....ALWAYS question tounaments, tournament fishermen, and tournament directors? How about the poaching, the double diping and triple dipping that happens right in your honey hole, the Wolf river? Where are you when it comes to calling out those poeple? And questioning the locals?
Let me guess...that never happens? |
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| "You can not release a fish once it hits the livewell. This is apparently something Tyee does not understand and is making it confusing for you."
Why can I not release a fish once I have upgraded it (as long as it is in good health)?
We catch and keep a 17" and four 18"ers. Then I get a 21 and throw back the 17. The 17 still counts toward my 8 fish, and I can upgrade 2 more fish. Why would anyone want to have more than 5 fish in their livewell? |
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| Wisconsin law states 'no culling'. Releasing it once you have taken posession (placing it in your livewell constitutes posession) is not legal, whether you are in a tournament or not. The tournament director holds a 'release permit' which allows him or someone appointed by him the right to release the fish. |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | ok culling is replacing a fish in your live welll with another fish... you cant make room!!!!!!!! if 8 fish have hit your well reguardless of how many are in there now ! if 8 went in your done! wisconsin law permits ten walleyes.. 2 guys 5 per guy.. if you have 9 in the box and two guys fishing , one of the two in the boat are in violation.. better be running 3 lines not 6... here is the gray aria .. and the question that i have is ????? under current law you are allowed to release any fish at any time as long as it goes back into the same lake it came from , a week later if you want... NEW vhs rules ? fish must be dead when leaving the lake.. but does the current vhs rule not allow you to release a fish that was in a well or your posesion limmit? unclear.. jayman,,,, not to jump on you but i dont cull... and though i have suspected it from others i dont think there are that many doing it... tournament or not it starts with the indevidual ... just because you think others are ... is no reason to break the law and the ethics.. im not accusing anyone here... but if somone is culling there stealing from me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if i found out i would let them know... and i wouldnt be speaking in a low key voice.. at the weigh in... im not a perfect individual and i dont expect others to be... as far as the lie detector on culling.... what if your fishing a tournament and you catch 6 leagal fish and your partner (the net man) catches none.. as you have the pole in your hand because you SUCK at netting fish.... now what ,, the question in the lie detector test asks if you broke the law? hmmm did i over bag today? i reeled in all the fish? now im nervus and FAIL the lie detector!!!!!!!!!!!! now what !!!!!!! im a cheeter!!!!!!!!! just a thaught... how do you pass a test like that?
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| "under current law you are allowed to release any fish at any time as long as it goes back into the same lake it came from , a week later if you want..."
Is this a current Wisconsin law?
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | onother example.... lets say im fishing alone... i catch a 5 lb walleye.. (not a tournament) i take the hook out of its mouth and it shakes free of my hands and hits the floor hard on its nose! i put in in the box with some snap weight on it to keep it upright as it was floating belly up an might not make it... now 15 min goes by and the fish is happy and healthy... there is no law that im aware of that says i cant throw it back! unless some new vhs thing.... i can throw it back... i just MUST count it as my day day bag and possession.. so on a 5 fish possesion or daily bag i will only be able to take home 4 because i has the fifth in my well for a wile and chose to releas it.! its not culling unless i replace that fish with another! |
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Location: Appleton wi | After reading tyee post i have a feeling that he has been culling for along time but hasnt realized it. There is absolutly no confusion the way it is written or stated by merc rules or the state reg on culling. None of this is foriegn language but what does scare me that someone on here seems to have a inside contact with the dnr who post alot on here. Come on poeple dont read into something that is not there! |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | know what else is sad? if i catch 2 fish in the morning that are 15 and a half inches and they swallow my hook or cut a gill... the tournament lowers the bag for the day... do i do what i have always done? chuck em on ice and count them for our bag knowing i still have room to catch bigger ones or do i throw them back knowing there gonna die and that i will need the two open bag limmit spots for later in the day? ethics vs.. law and competive fishing vs... doing what is right in my head? going to an 8 fish bag for the merc.. good or bad does affect some decisions and ethical questions we all have to make...its not all black and white .all the time.... |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Exerpts from The DNR regulations…….. Statewide Fishing Restrictions It is illegal— Seasons, Bag Limits, and Length Limits • to take, catch, kill, or fish for any variety of fish in excess of the daily bag limit or total daily bag limit (see definitions page 10) • to group bag. For example, if an angler catches a limit of 25 panfish and gives them to another person, the person catching the fish has attained their daily bag limit and can no longer keep panfish that day. Any fish received are considered part of the recipient's possession limit, but not part of their daily bag limit unless they are possessed while on the water, bank or shore of the water, ice, or while fishing. • to possess or fish for more than the daily bag limit of fish while you’re fishing or while you’re on the water, shore of the water, or on the ice. • to sort fish. Any fish you take into possession which you do not release immediately is part of your daily bag limit even if it is released later. Here is info from page 10: Daily Bag/Total Daily Bag Limits The daily bag limit is the maximum number of fish that an angler may reduce to his/her possession from a specified waterbody or a portion of a waterbody in one day. The total daily bag limit is the maximum number of fi sh that an angler may reduce to his/her possession in one day from all waters or portions of waters fished for that day. An angler may combine the catch of a particular species from multiple lakes until the total daily bag limit is reached as long as the daily bag limit for each body of water is never exceeded. Be aware that while on the water you may not possess more than the daily limit for that body of water. For example, an angler catches a daily limit of walleye from a 3-bag limit lake. The angler can not then go to another lake with a 2 walleye limit while still possessing the 3 fish from the previous lake. |
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| Mercs rules state: "Only 8 fish allowed in the livewell at anytime"
I put (2) 17" fish in the livewell.
I then place (5) 19" fish in the livewell and throw the (2) 17" healthy fish back.
I then place (3) 21" fish. in the livewell, and throw (2) 19" healthy fish back.
I weigh (3) 21" fish and (2) 19" fish.
I never had more than (8) fish in the livewell.
I never had possesion of more than the (10) that the state allows.
Under Mercs rules, was this legal, or is Merc stating that (8) is my daily Posession limit?
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| That is stupid the dnr allows you for two people to have 10 fish in the livewell  |
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| Mercs rules state: "Only 8 fish allowed in the livewell at anytime"
I put (2) 17" fish in the livewell.
I then place (5) 19" fish in the livewell and throw the (2) 17" healthy fish back.
I then place (3) 21" fish. in the livewell, and throw (2) 19" healthy fish back.
"I weigh (3) 21" fish and (2) 19" fish.
I never had more than (8) fish in the livewell.
I never had possesion of more than the (10) that the state allows.
Under Mercs rules, was this legal, or is Merc stating that (8) is my daily Posession limit?"
That is my question EXACTLY. Thank you. |
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Location: Appleton | Eight in the livewell and you are DONE. When a fish is put in the livewell it counts towards you eight. If you upgrade you are not following rules. As I stated in another post the anglers must decide if they are going to put the fish in the livewell and live with the decision. Eight in the livewell weigh the best five. You are not allowed to replace a fish that was put in the livewell.
Eight fish is you tournament daily possession for the team.
Edited by Jim Coon 3/28/2008 4:00 PM
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| Jim,
Inquisitive minds would like to know. Is that a self imposed rule that you have installed or were you told to do this by the DNR? |
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| Thanks for the clarification Jim |
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| Thumper under your scenerio you just painted you have just culled and broke the law! |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | i guess this is a good example , PAY ATTN at the RULES meeting on friday night or before any tournament because there may be things that are not on paper or need to be addressed or changed due to cercumstances beond our control.... jim has always been more of a black and white guy... no argument after his last statement ... no grey aria ... nothing... still gonna be fun... still gonna see our freinds and still gonna be competitive as the merc always is... looking forward to the rules meeting and good luck all... but i hafta admit without reading my rules yet for 08 . SHAME ON ME! ILL BE GETTIN RIGHT ON THAT ... AND IF THE RULE IS VAGUE .... as long as its clairified at the meeting or i have to bring it up myself .... its all good! thanks jim and the other inquisitive minds that wanna know.. we should all know this but lets face it ... rules they are a changing , like it or not... lets just keep them clear for all... good topic and great discussion! |
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| whoops let me correct myself. thumper you didnt break the law but what i meant to say is your broke the tournment rule and should be d.q'd! Again this is old stuff,conversation on poeple interputation of the rules borders ridiculas. This whole convesation makes someone really wonder how extensive cheating whether it be intentional or unintentional |
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| geuss I'll assUme that jim preferrs not to respond, I saw that he was on line the hole time, but said knotting
silence speeks volumes sometime
self imposed i guess
for the record, good for you. I applaud that decision. |
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| "Why is it you ALWAYS.....ALWAYS question tounaments, tournament fishermen, and tournament directors?"
Well because if EVERYONE followed the rules it would be a level playing field. The Walleye world has a long way to go to catching up with the Bass guys. It's obvious that my initial statement and subsequent discussion created questions in a lot of minds.
Maybe someone will think twice before they cull if they know the question could be asked on a lie detector. Thank you Dennis for posting the rules (you've been lurking for a while haven't you? I see Thumper has his answer, Wisconsin Laws learned that you CAN release a fish that was once in your posession, (Unfortunately not in the Merc Nats this year) and Eye Lunker no I haven't culled since I was 6 fishin trout ponds which was a long long time ago and have embarked in many discussions on the topic ever since I lost a money check to a team that I KNOW was culling.
So Jason NO I am not anti-tourney, I would like to see it cleaned up and the cheaters booted! This will all change next year as the NEW rules will allow a tourney angler to place a fish into the livewell to revive it. POSSIBLY making all this discussion pointless anyway.
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| Mr, Guest. Please re-read the following sentence in mrmodog's post (which I copied in my post):
"Under Mercs rules, was this legal, or is Merc stating that (8) is my daily Posession limit?"
Do you see we stated a scenario and then ASKED if it was legal? Jim responded very clearly and those of us that had the question have been answered, and we appreciate that. I assure you, I have and will play by the rules set forth.
Dave S
Edited by thumper 3/29/2008 4:52 AM
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