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Member Posts: 2445 Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Also, that pre day break trip turned into being on the water from 4 am to 7 pm, beautiful day. The fishing is tough. The fish are moving fast. | ||
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Member Posts: 82 | While I will be hammered over this just as I have for the last 3 years this exact topic has been brought up. Walleye Tournaments will never garner the audience that the Bass Tournaments, especially BASS Elites, because the majority of fishermen can't relate to the styles utilized in most walleye tournaments. You are preaching to the choir on this forum and any walleye fishing forum out there. Try and explain dispy diver trolling on Erie to a family fishing at the local retention pond... then explain KVD throwing a spinnerbait to largemouth and see which story they understand. BASS has marketed that style of competition almost perfectly. Even attracting the speed fans of racing, the rumor mill fans of message boards and the my brand is better than yours argument experts. Want fans of a TV'd walleye tournament, show anglers using equipment that people can purchase at any tackle shop. IMO, tournament fishing is a self sustaining venture only. Tournament fishermen have more opportunities to promote the sport than a group running them, by teaching friends and family to fish and fish well. Competitive people will always find an avenue to compete... even when our bodies will not allow rec league basketball, we can still fish. Very rarely will you recruit non-interested parties to something as specific as this by marketing only. | ||
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| RedNeckTech |
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Member Posts: 319 | "TO REDNECK TECH, you cannot make a statement about a per attendee cost of advertising until the event actually takes place and people are counted. Guessing how many people will be at your event before it happens then making such a loud statement about costs is, well, is stupid. We know it is not your job to give up the secret to the sphinx either, for free. Not sure you have them either. So if you are not gonna be a fixer on this subject, please keeep to yourself." You are inevitably lost. Whether you like it or not you are trying to gather attention to tournaments from fishermen like me who do not have much of an interest. You obviously do not have the answers nor are you willing to hear the point of view from the people you are trying to attract. The competitive walleye sport is on a collision coarse with a brick wall and I am not at the helm, I am on shore telling you to change coarse..but hey, it's your boat so carry on. Every event figures the anticipated per attendee cost in advertisement, make light of it if you want. I will gladly debate you later this year about the attendance of a first ever event compared to the attendance of a decade of fishing tournament attendance. I told you where the problem is, take it or leave it but the last thing I will do is keep to myself. The sport of fishing is not owned or dominated by tournaments and it shows how arrogant things are when the smallest segment of the sport will not listen to the largest part of the fishing population and what would attract them. | ||
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Member Posts: 2445 Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | RedNeckTech - 3/25/2010 1:41 PM The sport of fishing is not owned or dominated by tournaments and it shows how arrogant things are when the smallest segment of the sport will not listen to the largest part of the fishing population and what would attract them. OK, I am listening to you, I will turn the boat because its on a collision course, but you wont tell me which way is safety because you are not being compensated to do so. Thus, putting a blanket statement out there with no real fixes that you say you have but again, are not being compensated for, so you will not share them. It just means diddly. I would also like to point out that you state, ... Whether you like it or not you are trying to gather attention to tournaments from fishermen like me who do not have much of an interest. You do know that the event you are starting has pro fishermen there to help your event, right? You dont have much of an interest but you have no problem using them.....hmmmmmm..... | ||
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Member Posts: 625 Location: LaCrosse, WI | I still think one of the biggest things missing in competitive Walleye fishing is the public perception of the tradition. The Bass folks do have several advantages to draw crowds. Here’s what they have that we have not found a way to portray in my opinion. Way bigger potential fan base (bass fishing in world wide, Walleye fishing is in certain parts of the US only) Huge payouts with all the media coverage (look at the BassMasters Classic) A much higher percentage of Bass anglers belong to clubs or participate in tournaments (even local weekly leagues) Some of their biggest stars decades ago were also TV personalities (Jimmy Houston, Bill Dance etc…) The average angler can relate to Bass fishing more because they can physically see what the angler is doing (pitching docks, weed beds, slop etc…) – compare that to working a 1/16oz jig on a breakline out in the middle of a 100,000 acre lake with no shore in sight. These are just some of the things I see. Does that mean Walleye tournaments can’t become more popular, absolutely not. The biggest thing I see is that the average angler has a very hard time relating to watching two guys trolling with no shoreline in sight and watching some boards. I don’t think we’ll ever be able to capture the same kind of audience as Bass or even RedFish. They’re just more exciting to the average viewer. Another thing that would potentially help draw more serious Walleye anglers is knowing that the people fishing the top circuit earned their way there. We all know that if you can pay, you can play. That’s not the case on the top Bass circuits. I feel that’s a big reason why they have so many people in clubs and fishing club events. It’s a starting point for them, and a way to work their way up. Plus it’s a way to gain experience to present to potential sponsors. If you fish local Walleye tournaments in most areas, that means 4 or 5 local tournaments a year with the only exposure being on tourney day. In a lot of these Bass clubs, they have weekly events, kids events, public service and are covered by local media. I see the current state of things as a catch 22. I think multiple circuits is good for the sport, but I also think one really high level top notch circuit would be good too. If we could have one major circuit with all the top names fishing for big money, I mean like $250,000 first prizes it would be huge. Unfortunately, the only way I see that happening is to only have one high level circuit having all the major sponsor dollars. I do not want any circuit to disappear, I just think we need something bigger to draw attention. I liked the idea of the PWT SuperPro, but I think it was too late for that circuit. I wish it would’ve started 10 years sooner. All in all, I don’t have any answers, just opinions. I just hope it gets better. We’ve seen too many top guys leave the game over the last year or two. Two of them were perennial top 5 pros that I never expected to see leave the game. | ||
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Member Posts: 300 Location: Lincoln Park, Mi | I think there's lots of good points in this post and none of ya have all the answers individually, but I think collectively, you all might be onto something. I really like the cards and the working the crowd idea. I agree with the anglers huddled up statement also. Heck, I go to deliver lures to anglers at tourney sites at have a hard time getting the attention of someone in a huddle to deliver their darn lures. LOL I can only imagine how unapproachable it seems to the average spectator or a kid. You're right on saugers2. People do have a hard time relating to walleye fishing, tourney style especially. That's where I diagree with RNT. I think in walleye fishing, the best advertising asset, outside the tourney anglers themselves, is your current recreational walleye anglers. Even those who don't care about tourney fishing much. The key is to get them involved or make them feel involved, and they will do the advertising for you. Whether it's through volunteer work at a tourney, or whatever. Sites like this are an invaluable asset also. They help people spread the word, make people feel involved through discussion, and introduce new walleye-interested anglers to the tournament scene. Admit it, we're ego-driven human beings, and if we know someone famous, even on the walleye tournament level, we're going to tell our friends, family, and others about the person or sport in general. And that's not to say that traditional advertising doen't play a part, but I just don't think it's the most effective match for walleye fishing at this current time. Sorry, but putting together and the numbers/costs for a chartity tourney do not apply. That's a whole different scenario Red. Walleye tournaments still have to grow at the grass roots level a bit more before it is cost effective. Definitely do some traditional advertising, but make it very locally targeted and limited. And of course there's the weather. Walleye fishing is not a fan friendly sport. Unlike bass tourneys, which are held on much less volatile bodies of water, you just can't get the fan interaction on and off the water. Only a few of us nuts are going to go out in 3-4' waters to watch and fish with the pros on tourney days. Notice how many bass fans follow the pros around on the water to watch? Those fans are hardcore and do great grass roots advertising. And who, but a dedicated walleye fan, is going to sit out in snow and/or rain in 30 degree temps to watch a weigh-in? Those fans have to be acquired at the grass roots level. Edited by terroreyes 3/25/2010 4:39 PM | ||
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Member Posts: 1406 | Very interesting and quite a different tune to this topic than 2 or 3 years ago...Ideas are the same but the solutions are improving.... Food for thought based on Stackers request for a "list" of participants. What good would a list do to the general public? Wouldn't that "list be better utilized by the directors of these events to promote their event? As for giving to the public...wouldn't it be more appropriate to give them the "list" of sponsors? then associate the players to those sponsors? Really what are you promoting anyway? where is your money comming from? or where should it be comming from? Until large sponsors have bought into this game like they have with Bass we will never get the fans. They have to invest heavily into a few select individuals (put them on the payroll full time) So they can promote them like they should. This high level personality becomes the face of the product, winning a tourney or two would be nice, but marketing their product is key to the success. You can do this with 50-100 sponsors and one circuit...the rest are the minor leagues and that list is well...a list of your buddies to put it bluntly. Once you have corporate buy in you have a "profession" that pays for this sport rather than the professionals paying and trying to become famous on their own! Good Luck Tyee | ||
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Member Posts: 300 Location: Lincoln Park, Mi | After reading all that, I forgot about the original topic. LOLTo blend it into my previous post, I think releasing the list early, if doable for a circuit, will help built that grass roots fan base as Stacker said. Encourages the online discussion and debate, which sucks in new people inevitably. It sure can't hurt! | ||
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Member Posts: 2445 Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Food for thought based on Stackers request for a "list" of participants. What good would a list do to the general public? Wouldn't that "list be better utilized by the directors of these events to promote their event? As for giving to the public...wouldn't it be more appropriate to give them the "list" of sponsors? then associate the players to those sponsors? Really what are you promoting anyway? where is your money comming from? or where should it be comming from? Your essay of questions takes many different roads.what would a list do for the general public? Well, non-fans it would do nothing. fans, young fans and up and coming fans should be able to see who is playing next week. They should also be told about the players. Promoting the event is not the road this post is on. They already list sponsors, dont they? I dont know who is playing and who they are, I am not a fan of them so what the heck do I can if he is the face of that sponsors product. I dont even know who he is. The only way that works is if I am a chevy fan and I am cheering for chevy not the operator. What are you promoting anyway? By telling who is playing the game, you are promoting the players where is the money coming from? How much does it cost to type in names and push send? That answers the last as well. I will add this, Remember that the walleye world is smaller than bass. Remember that the walleye world has survived on much smaller numbers than the bass world and remember that we dont need to be the size of bass. We can do this at a much smaller level and do it very well. The monies will flow in, maybe not like bass, but then again do we need that level. Greed has put the boots to this game. Greed has created the big green eyed monster. | ||
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| Wow I am really liking this the more I read. I have to admit Stacker I am one of those guys huddled with my friends, but not in the future. I make this commitment to you, my fellow anglers, and the interested fans who will be at the weigh ins, I will walk around, answer questions, and talk with whom ever comes up to me. Also I would like to hear from my fellow competetors that they will pledge the same thing right here on this forum... Keep talking all of you and keep piling on the suggestions... John Schneider | |||
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| RedNeckTech |
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Member Posts: 319 | If you really want to discuss the pro fishermen at the event, how it is happening and how it came about I will gladly do that. There will need to be another thread for that though because I give full credit to those fishermen who are putting their time aside for the kids and I am promoting those fishermen as much as possible for it...but I will also gladly post the negative responses I received from others...and the fishing was always about the kids but there were many with the "what is in it for me" attitude. Have someone within the closed circle bring up the kids and all is well with the world... My point on the fixes is this...you are the one with a product that you want the public to have an interest in and as of right now the interest is not there. I am not in the tournament end of things and have no control or influence on the direction you and others decide to take it. The industry has not listened in the past, in fact any outsider that points out problems is blasted because they have no stake in the thing. There is an uncanny resistance to using outside the small tournament circle for advise, or it is asked for only to further ones standing within the circle. You take the advice and ideas from people that have to rely on others giving money so one can fish with open arms...there is no income that is derived from any kind of following. I am for the support of the sport of fishing, and tournament fishing has a small part to play in it. You want to woo ideas but you want to woo on your terms...not a good idea with the pickle the industry is in. Planning ideas that succeed is such a deep involvement that spurting out a couple of random ideas does nothing without the correct implementation. The cards are an idea if it is done on a tournament wide basis, not individual. There are grants you could go after for advertising...if you did it correctly, and I have a feeling no one even knows where to look or start. There is a shirt company from down south coming up to sell official event shirts...are the tournaments set up to entice such a company to make that type of investment? Laugh and mock as much as you want but in the end I still have a following large enough that I can make a living from it...can you say the same? There is an idea for you...go after the proper grants for advertising, now what will you do with it? Many steps to get there, many proper moves to make and many preparations must be had to qualify. Now go for it, or do you need someone who knows where to look and how to organize it? I can tell you that the way tournaments are set up right now there is no way you would get the grant...you have to change the tournament fundamentals. . | ||
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| Stacker, You're idea to mingle with the crowd is a great one. And if you or others that are posting here do see a group of guys together, go introduce yourself! I do not know anyone in the sport that would make you feel anything but welcome. That being said, I totally agree with you, and in fact made a point to suggest to the AIM crew to get a centralized "meet the pro area" that actually was implemented a bit with the AIM event last year in Saginaw. The anglers for the most part have to wait a period of time before they can actually cross the stage to have their cards and photos processed. It worked pretty good at Saginaw with pretty good fan interaction. For some reason, (and at some sites the logistics of getting to the weigh in area made that more difficult at other sites), it seemed to drop from the radar screen. I will bring it up again, use this post as a reference, and see if the good fellows at AIM can accomodate better! I too will follow John's example of trying harder this year. Thanks for the input! As for such a falling off of walleye tournament popularity, I would suggest a read at Scott Steils website. He explained pretty well. Times are a bit tougher than before, but I'm seeing a little turn around. And guys, some of the walleye guys have pretty good sponsorships, and a few are younger guys that are working hard, so it's not all gloom and doom. Please watch the websites in the next few weeks. There will be some announcements that are pretty cool from AIM, and maybe everyone will reduce the Sky is Falling attitude a little! On another note, it's been mentioned that tournament walleye fishing is failing because there are not 1000's of fans at the weigh in. Have you ever gone to an elite bass weigh in? Mostly family and a few fans. The Classic is huge, but most of the other events are not drawing huge numbers of people. How do tournaments affect the average angler the most? With their fishing techniques and tackle. Always has, always will. Many new lures have been proven through tournament successes and have become mainstream items in the average fishermen's arsenal... yes, even to those that don't follow tournaments much or even at all. The typical non tournament fisherman learns about these techniques and tackle, and the quality of their fishing experience can improve as a result. For the life of me I can't understand why this hasn't been mentioned hardly at all in any of the threads in the past few years. So maybe the majority of anglers do not follow every move that every tournament angler makes, but to think that because of this, that the tournament angler doesn't have a huge impact on the sport overall is not in any way reality, even in this down economy. Just check with all of the average anglers that are now using planer boards, slow death, double rod jigging, Reef Runners, Fin-Tech jigs, Flicker Shads, and on and on and on. Keep the positive dialog going. The only way to affect some change is to share ideas, and so far this thread is doing just that. Gary Parsons | |||
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| RedNeckTech |
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Member Posts: 319 | Some changes that are needed Stop leeching off of other events and become an event. There is no way tournaments will grow by systematically using other events to depend on growth…all it does is grow the other event. Not only will this put the tournament front and center as far as name recognition but it will also create an income for the sport. Reconsider the lakes and systems you choose to fish. Stop ignoring lakes because they are not well known for their heavy walleye population…quite honestly it would impress people more seeing someone pull a walleye out of a lake that has a lower walleye population than one that people are able to do it every day…it takes a heck of a lot more skill. Get rid of the attitude that a city should roll out the red carpet for the event, instead have the event roll out the red carpet for the city. Get the local businesses involved and stop relying on the misconception that people filling their gas tanks and eating is reward enough for the city…because it means squat. Choose areas that will work with the event to keep costs down, that need a revitalizing to the area. Aim for the entire population, not just those that fish. The industry has a bad habit of forgetting there are 250,000,000 people who do not fish but enjoy a nice event. There are many things you can bring to an event that costs nothing and will even pay you to be there. Stop thinking tournaments represent the recreational sport of fishing…it doesn’t. The greatest share of fishermen don’t care about tournaments and the sooner the Godfather attitude is dropped the better off it will be. People do not like being talked down to and quite frankly a lot of the recreational fisherman are just as good as most pros…they just don’t feel the need to wager money to prove it. Start learning how to properly use tourism boards. Kids have to be front and center at all times…but at the same time remember the kids are not the ones with the spending cash. Have a nice prize for the public. This can easily be done at no cost to the event or its sponsors…and do not make it a fishing item…make it desirable to all who come. Advertise properly. You need to have a strong marketing campaign that fits a low budget. Learn to utilize the local establishments for free advertising and promotion for the event…but make sure you form the event to make the area feel part of it to begin with. Want better, more precise details just knock | ||
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Member Posts: 3899 | RNT has obviously never been to Fond du Lac and Walleye Weekend/Mercury Nationals. Both are highly successful, and each feeds off the other. I saw this at the Green bay AIM last year. Biggest issue I saw there was the tent was too far away from the mainstream crowd, and the tent was too small. Triple the size of the tent, put it right nect to the street, get the anglers in the crowd, talking, signing cards, photo ops with kids, etc. | ||
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Member Posts: 1406 | Stacker said "Promoting the event is not the road this post is on." Then what good would providing a list to the public do?.....other than possibly detering others from entering? If a tourney director is putting out a list (for promotion) it should be focused on the sponsors and who their players are second. If the direction of this post is a "list" I ask this about the promotion? does the tournament organization bennefit more by getting money from huge sponsors and promoting the players themselves? OR would there be a greater bennefit from the huge sponsor investing that money in the right individual/s? I think the number of tournaments there are tells us the current answer. Good Luck Tyee Edited by tyee 3/26/2010 10:34 AM | ||
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Member Posts: 2445 Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | tyee - 3/26/2010 10:31 AM Stacker said "Promoting the event is not the road this post is on." Then what good would providing a list to the public do?.....other than possibly detering others from entering? If a tourney director is putting out a list (for promotion) it should be focused on the sponsors and who their players are second. If the direction of this post is a "list" I ask this about the promotion? does the tournament organization bennefit more by getting money from huge sponsors and promoting the players themselves? OR would there be a greater bennefit from the huge sponsor investing that money in the right individual/s? I think the number of tournaments there are tells us the current answer. Good Luck Tyee Sorry TYEE, this thread was for the fans. Then we started talking about how to draw more fans, not the possibilities on how the circuits get sponsorships. Thats all, the current fan base and drawing in more. You can start another thread about big business and how to draw in huge dollars. This one is not for that. Guys, there are little things that cost nothing That we can do, that starts to turn this thing on high again. I agree wiith Gary in the fact that it is not all gloom and doom and I think many areas have made the turn. There was always enough players for one top end circuit, then 2 came along and alot of guys tried the venture out, kept the fields full while everything was good. I still think There is enough guys for one top end circuit. The problem is, as a fan of the sport, I dont know many of the fisherman because nobody has told me who they are personally. I am glad John and Gary embraced the idea of talking to the public at the weigh ins. Just like a small town mayor shaking hands at the fair, get out there. RNT, I add and subtract well, I dont divide and conquer well. In one statement you state that there are grants for this and that, then in another you state that "you wont get it anyway". That is the kind of crap that miss leads people. Good luck with all your adventures. | ||
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| RedNeckTech |
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Member Posts: 319 | There are grants but the way the tournaments are set up as of right now they would not qualify, there are some changes that could be made to qualify...that is not crap, it is a fact and it was not a cut on the tournaments. You are concentrating on the decorations instead of the whole party. Good luck with it. | ||
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| I just wanted to respond to RNT about the comunity not giving a crap, you need to poll the small businesses that are effected by a tournament circuit coming to town. When the FLW came to Green Bay in 2007 there was over 2.5 million dollars estimated pumped into the local community and to a small business owner myself that is a welcome sight. I also agree Stacker the tent and seating was definetly two small, and I hope AIM picked up on that. If people are comfortable and cool they will stay longer. the more excited the fans get about the weigh ins the more they will tell friends and family which will grow the attendance at both the weigh ins and on the internet. And believe me I had dozens of people tell me they are following the AIM feeds each and evey day of the tournaments. Some of them were doing it at work when of course they should have been doing their job. But that made me feel really good knowing that it was that important to them...John Schneider | |||
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Member Posts: 319 | John In that post I am talking about all levels of tournaments. Larger ones have a positive impact on certain businesses but there are many that do not see the benefit. There is no reason that the benefit can't engulf the entire realm of businesses and population...this includes the small tournaments. Of coarse there would be a positive response if the business that were effected by the tournament were polled...but on the flip side you would get a who cares response if you polled the much larger portion of businesses that did not benefit at all. Every community wants attractions, Suamico has the Beer Belly Run which gets a nice sized crowd...I hear more about that than fishing tournaments. There is a reason, they do it on behalf of a charity and they do have a financial impact on the community...but they do not over state it. Green Bay has a population of over 102,000 people that live in the city and generates 683 million dollars a year from the attractions that are in Green Bay alone. They get an average 10,000 "tourists" a day...all I am saying is keep the feet on the ground when it comes to perspective. There are many cities that were sold on events and the outcomes were way over stated on what it would do for the community. I see everything being discussed so far aimed at the people who already attend events...is not the idea to attract the people who do not attend them? The handshakes and cards are fine, but that is an activity that should be done more outside of the tournament setting like at county fairs and other events, not just at the tournaments. There is a vendor coming on May 1st from North Milwaukee and she is going to bring her kids to go fishing with you guys. She wants to have her kids meet some good role models...the pros have many opportunities to not only expand the sport but to also gather a following but for some reason the doors that are opened...most do not walk through. The sport will not grow if the ridged-ness is so intense that the willingness to experiment outside of the comfort zone is not there. Seeking the advice from participants within the event will not grow tentacles to grab people outside of the event. You need to go for the people who do not attend and I just don't see how what is being discusses will do that. | ||
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Member Posts: 2445 Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | RedNeckTech - 3/26/2010 3:18 PM John In that post I am talking about all levels of tournaments. Larger ones have a positive impact on certain businesses but there are many that do not see the benefit. There is no reason that the benefit can't engulf the entire realm of businesses and population...this includes the small tournaments. Of coarse there would be a positive response if the business that were effected by the tournament were polled...but on the flip side you would get a who cares response if you polled the much larger portion of businesses that did not benefit at all. Every community wants attractions, Suamico has the Beer Belly Run which gets a nice sized crowd...I hear more about that than fishing tournaments. There is a reason, they do it on behalf of a charity and they do have a financial impact on the community...but they do not over state it. ECONOMIC IMPACT, any clue how this works? You are so wrong on just this one paragraph I will not even talk about the rest of your post. To those that have been reading along, he states that because the beer belly run is for charity it has more economic impact than a event run for profit. Just how can that be RNT? I just do not understand your thinking whats so ever. I am not so sure you do either. It makes no sense. He also states that the money we all spend during events in oconto and marrinette and au gres and sturgeon bay and houghton lake and castle rock and walker and redwing, at the bars restaurants and hotels, bait shops and gas stations has little if no effect on there economys. How many of you believe that when there is a 150 guys for 3 days at a event that what you spend means nothing. The tips you give mean nothing. Edited by stacker 3/26/2010 5:15 PM | ||
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Member Posts: 1406 | Denny, ok then as a fan I don't need to see a list of whos playing I need to see a fun entertaining event full of "stars" that puts me on the edge of my seat looking for that huge exciting adrenaline pumping, heart string pulling outcome. You have to play on my EMOTIONS! THATS what sells, tell me why I should watch right now? RNT, Someone finaly hit on my points and that has to do with promotion, Guys like Gary are associated to Berkley Tracker or Mercury. But guys like Jeff Gordon (even my wife knows he IS Dupont) and Tiger Woods is known as Nike or Gatorade, The name association goes along way with a sponsor and if you want people from outside the current community of fishing you need to welcome in with open arms those big dollar sponsors not associated currently......While Mercury Crestliner Berkley are great sponsors for directors, the players need to market themselves to sponsors from outside the current market and I agree they need realistic numbers from those directors to support their search for marketing THEMSELVES. You need the hometown boy the rebel the over the edge and the skilled and more. When marketed properly with a product you have something to sell and when you get all that on the list, it would mean something to me and the folks outside the current community. Good Luck Tyee | ||
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Member Posts: 319 | That is NOT what I said and if you are not going to read it in context there is no helping you. You are the one out there asking for help, not me. I have County Executives on public record stating what I have done for an entire county thus far has prevented them from having to raise taxes on the residents of that county…and the event I put together will help even more, I got county agencies to change permit laws to accommodate, I have State Representatives inquiring about the event, the last meeting I spoke at had over 90 local businesses attend to find out what they could do to help...I know darn well how it works. What is even better is I did it with my own money but you with your infamous wisdom know better. Put your plans into action and let's see them work then. Don't attempt to denigrate me on things I didn't say...READ MY FONTS...never once did I ever state it has no affect, what I said was keep it in perspective, something you have a very hard time doing. It is very apparent that you have everything under control in the industry Stacker…this year should be a booming season for the events and can’t wait to see the masses you are able to draw. Edited by RedNeckTech 3/26/2010 5:55 PM | ||
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Member Posts: 319 | Tyee, I agree with you but I do not see anyone moving in the right direction not only to promote themselves but also making the sport viable enough to attract the large sponsors other sports have. Certain attitudes will assure it will never happen. I have two meetings with city mayors next month that want to develop decent, successful events for their cities (because word gets out in the right avenues when you do things that impress people Stacker) and one has is a prime location for a large fishing tournament. In fact that was one of our initial discussions of things that would be great to have involved, threads like this really make me wonder though. If reality is going to be over looked there is little anyone can do that will help. Resources are scarce and with the vial comments they will dwindle even more. It's either the tournament industry wants to know what is wrong and what needs to be changed or it doesn't. Tournaments have the ball and make up the rules so either stop complaining there is no interest or change the game to draw it. I wish you guys the best of luck but I just do not see it with the way things are going. Someone wants to attempt to draw me as some big villain to tournaments and the fishermen then have at it, there are enough I talk to that know me better than that. Good luck with it. | ||
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Member Posts: 300 Location: Lincoln Park, Mi | Alright, you sparked my interest and I did a net search on you. Yeah, lots of cudos for your recreational director duties. Seems you know your stuff on the charity level for sure! BUT, what I really want to hear about is this "creature" sighting near Holly Hill you did interviews about!!! This may need a new thread. LOL << Krueger is a nationally syndicated "fishing and hunting" cartoonist with "Moose Lake." At the time of his encounter, he contracted with the Wisconsin DNR as a deer carcass remover. Our radio interview with him was filmed by a crew from the History Channel as we taped it, for airing next spring in a TV special on werewolves. Be sure to catch this treat! Posted by Stephen D. Sullivan at 9:01 AM >>>> Edited by terroreyes 3/26/2010 6:53 PM | ||
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Member Posts: 319 | LOL...Well I was on the last ever show of Monster Quest that aired this last Wed. In fact I just talked with the show's producer and he is planning to attend Moose Fest and he might bring his band along. Edited by RedNeckTech 3/26/2010 7:09 PM | ||
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