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| Jayman and others you are right on. I can't believe the number of fish being harvested. I would like to check some of those guys freezers. I bet they are way over their possession limits! It makes me cry.
42 lbs for the cut and 74 lbs for the win. Too much pressure in one area and alot of guys will be sharing fish. |
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| La sensual actriz estadounidense Ropa interior de hombre volvió a dejarse ver en ropa interior, pero esta vez no fue mientras grababa un comercial. Ocurrió a su paso en el camisetas interiores de Los Angeles, en el que la protagonista de Transformers dejó ver su brasier fucsia.Hace unos Pijamas Calvin Klein la actriz posó como imagen de la lencería de la firma italiana Armani. |
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| I say a 7lb. average or better to win. Somewere between 105 and 110 to win.
As far as big fish in Bago you have to remember that it is a migratory system. Fish go upriver to spawn. Sometimes mother nature throws a curve and they stay in the river longer than expected and farther upriver than most would realize. For Merc there was not enough time to get to where they were to fish effectively and for Otter you can not even try. They will eventually get bake to Bago but who actually seriously fishes there in August and September when the Bay is going strong. I would like to hear from Kendal K. on his thoughts about Big Fish in the Bago System.
I am not sure if they are fishing or not but it could be a guy called Tom or Tommy for the win (Keenan Kemos or Skarlis)
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Location: Chicago IL. | 91.25 for the win. |
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| schrdr......not diggin at ya but conversation was bout Green Bay but your thoughts on Bago are interesting.
Now that i seem to have some peoples attention I'm going to carry on with why I think Green Bays Big fish are disappearing. First of all like Jayman said if your one of the bandwagon jumpers that hopped on the train once the tourneys painted the picture for everyone then in all due respect you really don't know what Green Bay was really like ten years ago. Green Bay is far from what it was ten years ago and I for one don't want to see happen to the walleye population as to what already has happened to the perch and northern pike population on Green Bay.
Now lets look at contributing factors of reasons Green Bays Big fish are disappearing !!!
1) Tournaments showing people how and where to fish
2) Lake-Link, Social Media,
3) The violaters up on little-big bay de noc gill netting tons of fish
4) Guiding and Advertising
5) The DNR allowing a 5 fish bag limit
6) All this contributes to a massive increase in fishing pressure and harvest
Another reason I'm writing this is because i feel about 75% of the users on here are from Winnebago land and I'm looking to get the word out that Green Bay isn't this MASSIVE INDESTRUCTIBLE WALLEYE ECOSYSTEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Case and point number one. I've spring fished the Menominee River for the past 20 years. Every year there was about a two week span that you would crush fish after they spawned. It would not be uncommon to boat 20 to 25 fish over 26 inches in one evening and thats just the big ones. You could do this for about a two week time frame after the spawn then it would get slower for a bit but then, THEN and I mean hang on ...those Cedar River fish would start moving south and pull up in the river mouth for about a weeks time. How do i know because of the tag returns year after year spelled it out of what was happening.
Now the past three years my night fishing on the Menominee has yielded this
2009 3 guys 14 trips 60 fish
2010 3 guys 10 trips 17 fish
2011 2 guys 12 trips 15 fish
Years prior to this my friends and i caught hundreds and i mean hundreds of nice walleyes along with what many people would consider trophys. It was some amazing fishing and its just not like that anymore on the Menominee. I mean yes there still is some good fishing there don't get me wrong but it is nothing like it use to be not even close!!! Where were all the guides this year???? Why wasn't Eric "big fish" Haatiji plastered all over lake-link holding numerous pig walleyes from the Menominee River.....Now he's on the Peshtigo catching 20 inchers Oh ya How come I didn't see Dale Strochein pulling his rig back and forth this spring day after day after day from the Menominee??? Saw very few of the diehards from Michigan at the Menominee this year.....my point in mentioning these names.....cuz the numbers aren't there! Having a six to ten fish day with one 28 incher is not good fishing. So if your going to respond by saying you had a great time there and caught a trophy fish well then to each his own but thats nothing like it use to be.
Case and point number two. The Oconto Area Lots and lots of postspawn fish use the area off county park II. You use to be able to roll through there and catch pig walleyes all the time in april thru June.....now its just average fishing you actually have a tough time catching big fish there. Seems still plenty of fish but no size.
Case and point number three. The Geano region now this one didn't last long once those fish got discovered they got hammered and I mean pounded. In a 5 year time span those big fish simply are no longer "EASY" to catch there anymore. Yes still fish in the region but big ones are tough, tough to find.
I could go on and on about other spots on Green Bay but ya there actually are some honey holes left out there. I just want to make people who don't have as much exposure to Green Bay as I do aware of what really is happening out there. Regardless of what you see or hear on the social media Green Bays fishing is declining!!!! Years and years of experience on the water have been proof and I just don't want to see happen to the walleye popuation as the perch and to some degree on the west shore the northern pike and brown trout. Those big old fish on the bay are anywhere from 12 to 20 years old and when you start taking those out of the system they just aren't gonna show up in a couple years from now. Green Bay is not the fish producing system like Winnebago it doesn't have warm water year around to increase growth rates. Its water is cold most of the year and 90% of it is not suitable walleye habitat.
So maybe people disagree and I'm sure there will be but I'm speaking from the days and days of time i fish Green Bay. No I'm not a meat hog I release all the big fish and do keep some for the pan. Thanks for reading my post!!! |
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Location: Manitowoc WI | I have emailed Kent V and have discussed this several times.. Green bay walleyes grow at an extremely rapid rate.
a female fish can reach 28 inchs in less then 8 years. It is extremely hard to believe. I did not believe it at first either.
Personal experiences can not be used to gauge population, fish concentration in area's have several dependants. Now I am not saying the large fish population isn't declining at some rate. It is on a constant cycle that is dependent on natural reproduction.
I try to explain this to waterfowl hunters all the time.. If u kill 1 hen, you kill her future broods. If u have 1 spring that floods out an entire breeding area, natural reproduction has has just declined by Several several thousands / millions.
Maintaining good natural reproduction is key. Which the proof is in the pudding. Look at the lake winnebago sauger population. |
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| Ya thats right just look at the Lake Winnebago Sauger population!!!! What did they do to get it that way??!!! They protected the species and heightened awareness of what was going on because the guys on the lake in the 70's and 80's were taking garbage cans full of fish home and selling them and whatever else. Catching one while netting three other ones in the spring. They protected the species by eliminating harverst of any kind and enhanced habitat!
Now i didn't wanna base population on personnel experience but Green Bays Big Walleyes simply are not as boutiful as they use to be.
Also I can see 8 to 10 year growth rates in the warm waters of the southern bay but all the tag returns i have from northern and central parts of the bay don't agree with that. |
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| i concur with a previous poster.The damage is not being done by the tournament guy, moreso it has to do with the guides and others posting there info on websites.If you tell the average joe purple beads,gold blade, half ounce inline,35 feet back, 13-15 fow,1.3 to 1.5mph,straight out of bayshore, your grandma could catch her limit.Maybe it would be in the best interest of the fishery, if everyone just posted pics and left it at that.Most tourney guys i know, would lie to their dying brother about where and how the caught their fish.And most of those guys drive home with no fish,including myself. |
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Location: Manitowoc WI | I agree and I agree..
Why doesnt everyone msg that moron on lake-link that is doing fishing videos for handicap fisherman. ?
update: enough people must have talked to him.. he removed the extremely inforamtional videos...
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| The General, I would love to hook up with you some time and discuss more. Spot on.
Part of the problem is Joe Fisherman goes up and catches fish and thinks it's great fishing, but Joe Fisherman has no idea or clue to how good it once was. |
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Location: Manitowoc WI | I would like to see some statistics, I am willing to bet walleye population is up over 30%+ since the early to mid 90's..
in the 90's Fish were much bigger on average. it was extremely rare to catch a fish under 24 inchs. It was a different game back then. remember we have had several invasive species introduced to are system over the last 25 years.
And the fish have THRIVED on them. It has changed the population and feeding habits of walleyes. Main forage has done a 180 in the last 25 years. Unless your speaking of before that.. im not sure what green bays walleye population was in 80's.
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| You guys all have great points. I agree that the nature has a lot to do with population ebbs and flows. The large year classes of big fish are growing out of the system, and there are a lot of the smaller fish around. These fish are being harvested at a much higher rate than those fish were before. It would stand to reason that we won't see a population of big fish like we saw in the 90's and early 2000's. One of the worst things that happened was the 5 fish limit. Brought a lot of meat hunters that didn't think 3 fish were worth it. Also, you are right about the videos. These guys go out here and think they are the greatest fishermen in the world. I wish someone would wake up here! |
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Location: Lincolnshire, IL | fmwepoiq - 7/20/2011 4:49 AM
La sensual actriz estadounidense Ropa interior de hombre volvió a dejarse ver en ropa interior, pero esta vez no fue mientras grababa un comercial. Ocurrió a su paso en el camisetas interiores de Los Angeles, en el que la protagonista de Transformers dejó ver su brasier fucsia.Hace unos Pijamas Calvin Klein la actriz posó como imagen de la lencería de la firma italiana Armani.
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | Enough of the debate on whether the big fish still exist.
The heading is guess the weight of the FLW.
I've been on the water for 5 days. The bite is better than ever. There are many 20-28" fish with good schools of eaters too. Without making repeat passes over active pods of fish we managed 26-33 lbs each day. I'll guess that it will slow down due to this excessive heat but the top ten will need 32 lbs each day to qualify. The winner will have around 103-105 lbs. Good luck to all. |
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| OKAY WILL put a little input to this post. I truly beleave that the big fish are still there and the eco system has changed so that they are not interested in our presentation as they once were. there is an over abundance o0n aliwife going right now at numbers we havent seen in years, gobies, how many big fish have you caught that cough up 5 or 6 gobies. things are changing and we have to adapt to them. I have fished the bay for over 15yrs and know that there is a change I do blame it on the average fisherman taking those big fish infact I guy showed my at the landing 20 fish all 25 26 inchers which made me sick. It is up to us to start to put pressure on the dnr to stop the carnage will they listen dont know but without trying welllllllll
I am not a leader any more but if someone needs help i'm there to give support to stop this with a slot it will be a tough road because it is in the best interest of certian cities to keep this game rolling |
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| Why go to bago and catch a limit of 15's when you can go to the bay and catch a limit of 20's?Okada with 98 lbs |
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| they're getting big fish.kemos 107lbs. |
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| I fished yesterday with my son and spoke to a couple fisherman afterwards. Based on my experience yesterday and after talking to a couple of guys in the tournament here is my updated prediction. 58-64 to make the cut, 95 -100 for the win. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | budsbud, in all due respect, you were not around for the start of all this on the bay. 1997 mwc kicked it off on larsons. before that you could not catch walleyes during the day on the bay. hahahahahaah remember that Jerry?
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| Stacker.... Might be best to lay low for a while considering your recent posts. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | thank you jasper for looking out for me. hahahahahaahahahaha
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| Jayman I will consider it I suppose I could become a registered user and we could discuss further to start. If you register is your identification kept confidential??
I read all of your posts and alot of good discussion. To bad some individuals say "ENOUGH" LMAO we had a good discussion going. I guess there is "rules" to these postings  If you look at the broad picture you see a fishery changing to one with a higher density of fish but smaller average size. I guess there is "rules" to these postings Good luck Everyone I hope you enjoyed my input I hope I opened some peoples eyes of how Green Bay is changing. Please respect the resource and release the larger fish!! |
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Location: Lincolnshire, IL | After watching a couple of baskets weighed I would like to change my prediction! LOL! |
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| There are plenty of big fish in GB. Maybe you guys that have been fishing the bay for "so many years" need to find a few new spots! |
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| weights were very WOW!! another place I gotta visit. Considering the heat wave... another WOW!
Also 141 boats, good turnout... |
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