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eye Lunker
Posted 8/9/2007 11:05 AM (#59717 - in reply to #59477)
Subject: RE: Do Bigger Blades = Bigger Fish?


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I agree big blades =big fish
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Finfanatic
Posted 8/9/2007 2:15 PM (#59733 - in reply to #59711)
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Jayman,

I will give you a shout this evening or tomorrow. I am going to be on the water all day tomorrow and Sat prepping for the BotB. Competition? What competition. Last I checked you and Brad were still in good position to take the SWC team of the year. Me and Capt. Jason are a bit lower on the ladder. We are having a blast fishing together though!

Oh and incase anyone cares.... Go big or go home! Big thump and big flash to attract those big Hawgs.

I will offer this.... I have caught my fair share of fish over the years running small home made harnesses with small twin Colorado or Indianan blades mixed in a spread of cranks run 2 to 2.5 mph.
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Jayman
Posted 8/9/2007 2:28 PM (#59735 - in reply to #59477)
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Bob,

Sounds good, unfortunately I can't fish the BOTB. Family commitments. But perhaps I can help you.

As for blades, I've caught GB nine pounders on blades as little as #2 indiana gold. But my preference in general is #6's on the bay and 3-6's on 'bago....depends on the bugs.
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tyee
Posted 8/10/2007 12:53 AM (#59753 - in reply to #59477)
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Jason, My point exactly, Until you or others start marketing a better blade I'm gonna stick with Tommy! So keep the infomercial going he has an awesome product with very little competition for those of us without the time to do our own and spend countless hours experimenting on the water, That is why I enjoy this site as it is nice to see the products that are available immediately and to hear from some great sticks what works for them. You can keep your "secret" paitjob if you prefer but I love the comercial aspect of how we can network and promote others products, without relying on the "pros" to release the secrets of their success! We all know how that works now don't we! Some in this industry are finally realizing that "pro staff" is not the best way to market product to us average Joe's.

Good Luck
Tyee
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walleye express
Posted 8/10/2007 6:25 AM (#59755 - in reply to #59753)
Subject: RE: Do Bigger Blades = Bigger Fish?



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tyee - 8/10/2007 1:53 AM

Jason, My point exactly, Until you or others start marketing a better blade I'm gonna stick with Tommy! So keep the infomercial going he has an awesome product with very little competition for those of us without the time to do our own and spend countless hours experimenting on the water, That is why I enjoy this site as it is nice to see the products that are available immediately and to hear from some great sticks what works for them. You can keep your "secret" paitjob if you prefer but I love the comercial aspect of how we can network and promote others products, without relying on the "pros" to release the secrets of their success! We all know how that works now don't we! Some in this industry are finally realizing that "pro staff" is not the best way to market product to us average Joe's.

Good Luck
Tyee



Tyee.

Man did you hit the nail on the head with this post. I'm not used to seeing many other people on my side of the fence, on this issue. Or at least not many willing to say or risk the inuendos for posting about any certain product that works for them, no matter who's it is. There will always be a very real attitude difference between Joe Blows and Pro's. That part of that game does make sense to me. But I strain to understand why seasoned anglers, guides or charter captains hate seing beginners or fellow anglers gain any new knowledge to help them catch more fish. This whole fishing indutry is connected in one way or another. Every part of it gains when new people get interested in it, hire a guide or charter and/or start buying all the things connected with it. And they need/want to know what works for the guys already in it. We fishermen all worry about VHS, polution, invasives or anything else that will hurt our quality free time on the water. Yet, try to keep secret anything that will help draw more people to our sport and our side of these issues. It must be true what my anti-gun neighbor told me once. Only a guy holding a gun can shoot himself in the foot. Must be the same for a fishing pole.

Edited by walleye express 8/10/2007 6:35 AM
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Jayman
Posted 8/10/2007 8:44 AM (#59766 - in reply to #59477)
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Okay, I'm going out tonight to buy myself some rosy shade glasses......geeesh!

Tyee, Why the dig? My "secret" paint job blade? At what point did I solicit my blades? I didn't. When did it become wrong for me not to supply every person I bump into my "wealth of knowledge" (which we all know how little that is) regarding fishing and/or anything else? Is it wrong to enjoy fishing a spot all on your own and not be in a "community spot? Is it wrong to have a bait or lure that you feel gives you an "edge" and not share it with the entire WF community?

Part of this game to me, is doctoring up my own lures and blades and harnesses and fishing them. If they catch fish great, if not, big deal back to the drawing board. I enjoy that aspect of the game, the part I dislike the most about this game, Liars, cheats, and braggers. I don't post lies, I don't post braggin reports and I don't cheat. Now feel free to question my ethics...

Dan, you're a 4 seasons outfitter with 23 years of guideing experience, yet you've run a blade for a mere tiny fraction of your experience and caught fish on what I gather seems like a pretty good bite (sounds like you could catch fish on a spark plug) on Saginaw bay this year. Your endorsement speaks to me some obligation for recieveing free product from Tommy. Kudos to you. All I asked earlier was people to lay up on sugar coating/plugging a sponsors product. I stated my results after a season of use, yet I'm the one chastised for having the disappointed results in said product.

I would call that sharing of knowledge, not plugging a free product, even if it's not a positive experience. But hey, like I said, I'm getting the glasses tonight.

Now I gotta get back to my garage where I can get to work on my "witches brew" that'll make 10# walleyes bite my secret baits when I drink some of the secret walleye elixir.
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hgmeyer
Posted 8/10/2007 8:50 AM (#59767 - in reply to #59477)
Subject: RE: Do Bigger Blades = Bigger Fish?



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Dan,

I am with you on this issue. I just worked out the preliminary details for a series of three "seminars" on walleye fishing to be put on by our club at a newly opened bait shop in an adjoing town (here towns aren't "nearby" they just butt up against one another...I hate "sprawl"). Our Walleye Club is always on the lookout for opportunities to share info and excite people to join us in our favorite activity.

And, time and time again... Where to go and how to catch them are the questions we get the most. The only way to succeed in attracting new people or exciting the casual fisherman is to give them "good" solid information. We have always made a point of suggesting that at some time in their future they should hire a guide because it is the fastest way to shorten their learning curve.

There is no way that each of us independently has the time or money to try everything. If we don't share information we will all lose out in the end. And, if something works I like to know. I have a supplier of custom blades (actually two) and I buy them commercially. I haven't bought any Tommy Harris blades yet, But, I will and I expect that I will find them successful (I know I find them "purdy" to me). When I do, I will pass that al;ong just as I have passed along info on the guys that supply me with custom blades. I am glad that you and Sunshine have been so positive about the product. It has helped me and I know it has helped others.

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tyee
Posted 8/10/2007 9:05 AM (#59772 - in reply to #59753)
Subject: RE: Do Bigger Blades = Bigger Fish?



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Jason, I didn't mean it to sound like a dig to you personally as I know you are speaking to many of the people you know here, my point was simply I love to fish and love to buy "new" stuff, and my buying is more influenced by users than Marketing or Packaging. (never bought the banjo minnow)

I am taking customers to Canada in a few weeks! novice is the word for them (never heard of fireline or powerpro) much less hear from a pro on stage what worked for them!!!!! They have no idea what to get. These guys are going to buy whatever I suggest. This happens with every customer I entertain on the water. Most of the time we catch fish and they are happy.

Seriously how many of the thousands of fishing licenses sold go to "avid" fisherman like you and me that know just a bit too much to be dangerous? If the novice has success he's gonna buy what works for him or what his buddy caught the big one on! and Holy crap, you should see the crap my teenagers have spent money on these days! I'd rather they spend it on a Luckycraft instead of Holister!

Good Luck
Tyee

Edited by tyee 8/10/2007 9:12 AM
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Jayman
Posted 8/10/2007 9:38 AM (#59785 - in reply to #59477)
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Tyee, you can take me fishing.....and we don't even have to catch fish for me to be happy
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Brad B
Posted 8/10/2007 10:21 AM (#59792 - in reply to #59477)
Subject: Re: Do Bigger Blades = Bigger Fish?


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"never bought the banjo minnow"... Sure you didn't... hehehe

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walleye express
Posted 8/10/2007 1:01 PM (#59804 - in reply to #59766)
Subject: Re: Do Bigger Blades = Bigger Fish?



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Jayman - 8/10/2007 9:44 AM

Dan, you're a 4 seasons outfitter with 23 years of guideing experience, yet you've run a blade for a mere tiny fraction of your experience and caught fish on what I gather seems like a pretty good bite (sounds like you could catch fish on a spark plug) on Saginaw bay this year. Your endorsement speaks to me some obligation for recieveing free product from Tommy. Kudos to you. All I asked earlier was people to lay up on sugar coating/plugging a sponsors product.


Jayman

Please, take no offense. But the difference you alude to and my posting intentions are stated clearly in the very first post about my short experience with the TH blades, as did I with the Eyeliminator's post. Along with my intentions to only post again if they worked. When stuff works for me (rather it's an easy bite on chewing gum or a pro staff product) I'll be talking about it. I've been sharing this type of info freely in club newspapers, national published fishing magazines and other Michigan Monthly publications for over 20 years, and long before any of it would come back in any form to benefit me personally. And if it's your preference to keep quiet about such things and simple gleam new tips, techniques and products off others willing to share, more power to you. But trying to shame or embarrass the guys that do share is sad and keeps that many more from ever doing so. I'm not trying to con anybody and I wouldn't be to quick to run spark plugs if you ever get over this way. But guess what? If I ever do, and catch a few fish on them, this whole board is going to know about it, and rather they were AC's or Delco's.

Edited by walleye express 8/10/2007 1:22 PM
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tyee
Posted 8/10/2007 1:20 PM (#59806 - in reply to #59804)
Subject: Re: Do Bigger Blades = Bigger Fish?



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hahaha, Jason you know NGK makes the best plug bait, although the iridium Denso's are pretty hot too! I use them more for snap weights though, the best are used ones, there must be something about the scent!

Good Luck
Tyee





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Guest
Posted 8/10/2007 1:25 PM (#59808 - in reply to #59477)
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Ok, I have to respond. When the feed bag is on, the larger blades will catch bigger fish. But, If the bite is tough, the larger blades will spook and scare the bigger fish. The smaller blades will at least give you a shot at an instinct bite. It's more important to concentrate on the color of the blade.
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Jayman
Posted 8/10/2007 1:58 PM (#59812 - in reply to #59477)
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Dan, I'm not taking offense, and I understand your position. First let me apologize, because I didn't mean to "railroad" your thread. It mearly got caught in the crossfire.

Again, I shared my experience and asked others to lay up on the obvious product plugging, especially after it coincided with my experience.

You state that you see no harm with people sharing info to help beginners learn more about this sport. Then how is it any different knowing about the good and the BAD when it comes to products, tips, techniques, so on, and so on?

Surely you must of made a mistake at one time or another, or wish you hadn't done something, bought something. Do you think you'd still have gone down the same road if some one told you it was a path for failure? Or were you the kid that still stuck his tongue to the flag pole in the middle of winter even after you were told your tongue would stick?

I'm gonna let this one rest now, I thinkwe all made our points.


Rodger, you have entirely way too much time on your hands. hahaha
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Rich S
Posted 8/10/2007 2:04 PM (#59813 - in reply to #59808)
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I have sat on the side lines for this but when people have the NERVE to start picking on the banjo minnow I have to speak. The banjo minnow IS responsible for the entire fishing industry being where it is today. If it was not for the BANJO MINNOW we would all be sitting on the bank with a piece of wood and a string. You ever heard of world war III? Of course not, thanks to the banjo minnow. Wanna know what is discussed more then anything behind closed doors at the White House??? Thats right, the Banjo Minnow! Wanna know what 8 out of ten doctors reccomend for stress related issues? A little time with the banjo minnow. Wanna know what my favorite bait is??? A crawler harness with a TOMMY HARRIS BLADE! Have a good weekend
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Brad B
Posted 8/10/2007 2:12 PM (#59814 - in reply to #59477)
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So do you use the BANJO MINNOW in place of the crawler?

I've found the BANJO MINNOW to be much more effective if I hum the music that aired with the infomerical while I'm fishing.

http://www.banjominnow.com/

And remember, there is no instant pudding in walleye fishing, but there is at your supermarket.

http://www.kraftfoods.com/jello/products/pudding/instant-pudding-an...

Edited by Brad B 8/10/2007 2:16 PM
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stacker
Posted 8/10/2007 2:20 PM (#59816 - in reply to #59814)
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Do they still get the city of Oshkosh's water out of Lake Winnebago? AHHHHHHH....... yep that stands to reason...
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Jayman
Posted 8/10/2007 2:24 PM (#59817 - in reply to #59816)
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Brad, I'm getting some Banjo Frogs to teach you to poke fun at my baits.......:)
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Rich S
Posted 8/10/2007 2:24 PM (#59818 - in reply to #59816)
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The banjo minnow is much to precious to me to waste on some fish. All mine are in a safe deposit box at the First National Bank. And yes Denny, they still do gfet the water from Winnebago but we sneak onto monkey island at night and get it before the ruin the tase by filtering. The water does seem to be a little more "white" then usual though.
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walleye express
Posted 8/10/2007 3:39 PM (#59826 - in reply to #59808)
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Guest - 8/10/2007 2:25 PM

Ok, I have to respond. When the feed bag is on, the larger blades will catch bigger fish. But, If the bite is tough, the larger blades will spook and scare the bigger fish. The smaller blades will at least give you a shot at an instinct bite. It's more important to concentrate on the color of the blade.


Guest.

I agree with those assumptions 100%. You have good insight, why not register and share your name?

And Jayman.

I'm very glad we're still copasetic.

Edited by walleye express 8/10/2007 3:52 PM
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fiveinthelive
Posted 8/10/2007 4:40 PM (#59829 - in reply to #59826)
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Umm......... I still don't know what SUNSHINES favorite color is
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Purple Skeeter
Posted 8/10/2007 9:37 PM (#59844 - in reply to #59829)
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Whatever you do.... don't you dare start making fun of crawlers.... by the way, is anyone else having trouble getting crawlers this year.  I can't seem to figure it out.  Hmmm.. let see 1/2 inch of rain on my lawn in 4 months....

I'd need a drilling rig to reach the crawlers in my yard this year, but i'll betcha the ones that survive are going to be 2 feet long after having to crawl through mud as hard as a rock.

PS

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Sunshine
Posted 8/11/2007 7:31 AM (#59850 - in reply to #59477)
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Sunshine's favorite color is a combination of pink, white and blue. I'd put a picture up and tell you that I have caught lot's of fish on the pattern but I do not want to be told that I am spamming.

........ and, for the record, that color was great previous years but it was just another blade color for me this year that caught fish but did not stand out as well like it did the previous 2-3 years. I must have told too many people and the fish became conditioned to it. :-0

Some of you guys kill me. You complain that people will not report "secret spots", "bites" and "presentations" but when some do they are spamming.

Tommy Harris Blades work for me. The Eyeliminator has been working for me this season. Saw them (Eyeliminator) working first hand in Saginaw and tried them on Green Bay with success. Is saying this spam? If you think so, move on and do not read the thread. You have that option. If you believe what I write and what Dan reports buy a couple and see for yourself. If they work for you report it here. If they do not work report that too. That's how the message boards work.

Dan reports that he is trying the new big number 8 blades from Tommy. How many of you even knew that Tommy was making those big blades before he reported it here? For some of us that is big news. Tommy has no web page and does not advertise in the big rags. How are people supposed to know about new product without people like Dan reporting it? Now we know and if we like the idea we will buy a few this winter to try. That's how it works and how it is supposed to work. Same with the Eyeliminator. It's a new product that is being used in Michigan. Many outside of the Saginaw area never heard of it before it was reported. They are hard to find unless you live in that area or know about their web page. Now many know about them and can decide for themselves if they want to try them. A "secret" presentation that has been used successfully across the country involves a spoon and crawler harness presentation. Now a startup company is producing a product that others have been making and experimenting with on their own. Wanna try it? Now you know where to go and how to get some. If you think it's hype and an info-commercial, move on. It really is that simple.

Terror,
One of the differences between WalleyeCentral and WalleyeFIRST is the fact that we can discuss and promote product here without the fear of the thread being pulled because that product does not buy advertisement. If you think that some of us go overboard, you have the choice the you have proclaimed yourself many times. Just do not read it.

Dan,
You are and have always been an innovator. You could never be accused of getting stale and only trying the proven stuff. Keep it coming. Some of your stuff I read word for word and take note. Other times I glance over it and move on quickly. That's my choice and I'll continue doing it. No one holds a gun to my head and forces me to read your stuff or any other thread that promotes a product that you like.

Disclaimer:
I have received free product from Tommy Harris and from Eyeliminator. If you think my views are tainted because I received some free stuff ........................... move on ............. you have that freedom.
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terroreyes
Posted 8/11/2007 10:06 AM (#59854 - in reply to #59850)
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One of the differences between WalleyeCentral and WalleyeFIRST is the fact that we can discuss and promote product here without the fear of the thread being pulled because that product does not buy advertisement. If you think that some of us go overboard, you have the choice the you have proclaimed yourself many times. Just do not read it. >

Yep, a big difference. That's why I posted my opinion here. Would have been deleted over there. I was just a little ticked that they kept deleting my posts and kept Eyeliminators and yours. And I paid money for that???? Some think a certain moderator over there is sitting on a stack of blades and eyeliminators. That's what I was talking about between the lines, then. I have no problem here. I don't pay for advertising and I've read the rules. Maybe I'll save the advertising budget next year and sell the DT Trolling system for $5. Just kidding. I'll just keep to marketing my trolling spoons and not step on any toes.

Edited by terroreyes 8/11/2007 10:10 AM
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Eyeliminator
Posted 8/11/2007 12:00 PM (#59856 - in reply to #59477)
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Terror,
Just remember there are PATENT laws..............................don't think you want to go there.
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