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| BNB, how do you manage drag yourself out of bed in the morning? Is there anything out there that you find that has positive future? |
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| BNB, how do you manage drag yourself out of bed in the morning? Is there anything out there that you find that has positive future?
Good question. I do find something VERY positive. In January we will have a new president by the name of John Sidney McCain. Other than that, there is not much happening positve in the world as we speak. Wish I could give you a rosier picture but I'd be lying to you. The truth is sometimes not what we want to hear. I regret that too. |
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Location: Berlin | I am glad that you took it upon yourself to be the bearer of bad news. You have opened my eyes so much I have many other questions for you. I am still young and am seriously thinking about starting my own business building homes in the 150k-350k range. From everyone I have been talking to, the realestate market is BOOMING in our area but I would like to talk with you just in case you have some inside info like you have with AIM. Please IM me with your contact info so we can talk.
BTW, what a waste of my 1000 post. I had big plans for it that of course involved Jerry...I guess I will have to save it for post 2000:(
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| Guest - 9/22/2008 1:00 PM
Instead, I gave him the reason why.
They all are waiting on dollar amounts which may or may not happen. I'm betting on NOT happening.
Why did you give him the reason why? You chide Steve Worrall for giving you a reason you didn't ask for. So why is acceptable for you to give your opinion that was not asked for.
As for the tourneys next year? You bet not. It actually sounds like you are hoping not. Either way, I bet the MWC, FLW League and Tour, the MWS, and many others will have events scheduled, and with good sponsors on board.
BTW, who are you?
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| Guest, take a chill pill the economy isn;t as bad as the media folks are telling you. Media spreads news and 99% of that is bullcrap from a so-called "expert" looking at eronious indicators. Throw the media under the bus once and you wont have 300 point slides in the market like today. Gold won't rise 40 dollars a barrel and please tell my why oil swung 25 bucks a barrel. It sure isn't lack of production or consumption!
Good Luck
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By the way, I am forecasting double digit growth for 2009 and my company! |
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Location: Chicago IL. | I knew it. I knew it I knew it!!!!!!!! BNB is a republican. I was wondering how long it was going to take for politics to come into it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
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Location: Rhinelander | Jayman - 9/22/2008 11:30 AM
I think Bad news Bob brings up some good questions worth asking, some pieces of the puzzle seem awefully convienent from a timing stand point. I also think his points could be made with a bit more tact, but hey I've been accused of not playing nice with others also.
One number I've read here is 80....80 fishermen are involved, yet so little has been said about it. The initial number I heard was 50 investors. There does seem to be some "secrecy" to AIM. Then again when the Super Pro's were formed I questioned if it would become the "Good Ole' Boy's network". One has to ask the question...
2ndly, "Talk to Scott M, and Pat Neu, and Keith K, and others instrumental in forming this new circuit. " I kind of wonder why? Why would there be a need to create new circuit? Unless.....Unless the fishermen knew the PWT was on it's way out. Or perhaps the fishermen were not happy with the way the PWT was being ran? I have heard 1st hand and 2nd hand rumors of the latter. More so questioning the dollars involved and the sponsorship money involved.
One does have to wonder, the PWT DID fold and AIM seems to still be a mystery to the outsider.....So I will sit back and read with wonder and can only hope the questions will be answered.
Keep asking Bob.....
Jayman, I am amazed you don't pretty well know by osmosis the answers to some of your questions. I'll do my best to answer, but Bob...well it's folks like Bob are the reason why 'National Enquirer' sells so well.
As to AIM, I suggest if you have questions about the organization, you should call Scott and talk with him. It is possible the reason 'outsiders' have not heard much about AIM except what has been published to date is: Drum Roll....
They are not yet ready and willing to provide more information than is now available. There's nothing new with this sort of thing; new companies and organizations offer tidbits to the public in the form of press releases, interviews, and the like as the organization's overall program firms up and full blown out-in-the-public operations begin. APPROXIMATELY 80 was my statement, so let's not take it any further than that. If it's that approx. number ( I think Keith said 77 in his statement onstage) and it's Pro Walleye Angling, that can hardly be a 'good old boy's' network, it's simply too many anglers. When they are ready I'll wager information about how one becomes involved will be forthcoming! I'll also wager BNB doesn't join, but that is just a guess.
AIM's goals speak to Sponsors, Pros, and the paradigm shift I mentioned before, somehow Bob missed that completely. AIM will be about the Pros and about Professional Walleye Angling., and even more importantly, those who enjoy following the sport. If it's about the Pros, I guarantee, it'll be about the Sponsors. The entire promotional effort will be about AIM, Pros, and Sponsors. Sure, this is a bold and 'think out of the box' move on the part of the Pros, and I believe it's going to work.
What's the point of 'wondering' up a conspiracy or some grand scheme, AIM is what it is, and was going to happen no matter what. There was a comment you may need to pick up in that stage presentation Keith did..listen for that PWT acronym in there. |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | OK OK < HOLD ON HERE!!!!!!!!! WHO IS THIS BAD NEWS BOB GUY? IVE BEEN GONE FOR A FEW DAYS AND THIS GUY COMES IN AND STIRS THE POT BETTER THAN I COULD EVER DREAM OF? WHAT GIVES? politics... dont get me started.. bad news might be a republican as anyone who thinks john mcain is the second comming must be , but he cant be a true conservitive thinker.. so id say moderate all the way.. another point .. the MWC is not going belly up!! ya know why? because the teams that enter provide the operating capital... 150 boats times what 800.00 /boat = 120,000$$$$$ at an 80% payout leaves 20% for tournament expenses 20 % of 120 thousand dollars is what boys? 24,000 in CASH TO RUN A SINGLE EVENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT EVEN A FULL FIELD...!!!!!!! BAD NEWS BOB BRINGS UPS SOME GOOD QUESTIONS. HE MAKES SOME GOOD POINTS.. AS FOR A.I.M. BE THANKFULL THERE IS ANOTHER OPTION FOR THE GUYS TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING FISHING.. NOW THAT THE PWT IS GONE... HOSTLE TAKE OVER OR NOT!!!! I REMEMBER ANOTHER BOB THAT WAS A PIONEER PARTAINING TO THE MWC!!!!!!!! ANOTHER BOB THAT COULD KEEP THE THING WORKING JUST FINE!!!!!!!!!!!! THE SPONSORS ARENT KEEPING THESE TOURNAMENTS AFLOAT!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS THE ANGLERS THAT FISH THE EVENTS!!!!!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!! ITS ASHAME BOB BLURTS OUT HIS OPINIONS ABOUT SOMETHINGS WITH OUT ALL THE INFORMATION! ON THE OTHER HAND HE DOES KNOW A FEW THINGS THAT SOME OF US<<< HECK MOST OF US MAY NOT KNOW... I DID OBSERVE ONE THING. ITS BEEN BRAUGHT UP BEFORE ON THIS SIGHT BY MANY THAT THEY ARE AFRAID TO SPEAK UP BECAUSE OF THE POUNDING THEY WILL GET BY THE WALLEYES FIRST REGULARS !!!!!!!! THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE... SOME HERE WANT TO MAKE A POINT THAT BOB IS NOT WELCOME HERE... THATS BULL**** AND YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED!!!!!!! YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT GUYS WITH A POLITICAL ADGENDA? LOOK IN THE MIRROR BOYS.. SHAME SHAME... THOUGH IF YOU PUT US ALL IN A ROOM AND A BEER IN OUR HANDS OR IN A BOAT WITH A FISHPOLE TOGATHER WE WOULD ALL BE BEST BUDS AND HAVE SO MUCH IN COMMON... ITS A SHAME THAT BEHIND THE COMPUTER WE THINK WE NEED TO CHOSE A SIDE.... INTERESTING THREAD THIS IS AND THANKS BOB FOR GIVING ME SOMETHING TO READ THAT INSPIRED SO MUCH THAUGHT AND REACTION FROM OTHERS... WAY BETTER THAN THE SAME OLD SAME OLD... BLA BLA BLA... SOME GOOD POINTS MADE BY ALL... GO BOB GO!!!!!! STIR THE POT MAKE THE BOYS THINK ! but still they like to jump on folks who dont leave there name... seems to take away some credibuility.. and maybe it does.. but there are ramifications in the tournament industry for those who dont conform in some cases... there are reasons people dont leave there two cents and sign there name... i dont blamb you if you are on the inside for not leaving your name.... those that do seem to always have to protect the status quo and defend there cercuits and employers if i may use the word.. the FLW is an employer so to speak for some... so was the PWT... for some... imagine you working for the school district as a teacher and trashing the teachers union and your employer ,,, how long would you last ... same with working for the police department in a major city and always pointing out controversial missmanagment or obstruction or coruption within ... how long would you last...???????? so bob (deep throat) doesnt sign his real name..(WHO CARES) so you take his thaughts and comments with a grain of salt.... thats all.... its funny how quick some are to judge somone who is certainly upset about something and i wish Bob would have the guts to tell is some of the real crap that must be under his skin .... im thinking there is some substance to get him worked up like this and i think he is holding back out of fear ... and im thinking that the pounding he has alaready taken by many on here (who frankly dont no **** about the inside workings or long term history of the mwc pwt or flw and think they should be carying water for them.... just because we have fished thesed events for wile or a few doesnt mean we know ****... so you never know who this Bad news bob is ? i kinda like him. but the mwc will servive if the anglers themselvs want it too... there paying the bills.... as it has been since another great bob had to babysit for the boys... |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | If the truth is that these X-PWT anglers knew that the PWT was going down, and got together to form another circuit ahead of that fact, and tried to include what might be lots of other Tournament guys (80 elete or not) without a place to go. I'm personally missing what BNB anger and covert supecions are about it. Are we supposed to fault anybody for starting a new business after his old one fails. Are we supposed to blame everybody who wants to make a living doing what he loves and finding a way to do it. Every swinging D!$# on this site wishes he could make a decent living Fishing, Golfing or doing something they love to do. Am I personally jealous of these guys, Hell yes. I worked 25 years in a Foundry and I hated every minute of it. Hot, stinky and dangerous. 3 of my best friends I worked with were killed in job related accidents. I loved fishing and was good at it, but lacked the courage to go from guiding and chartering to stick my neck and money out, to roll the professional tournament dice. Hell, we all know it's about money. What the hell isn't. That's why I stayed at the foundry, wages and life long bennies. And Please BNB, don't tell me again that my last GM pension check is in the mail. But please do explain what your real beef is with these old PWT guys wanting to keep their livelyhood going. Or is it just the particular names of the ones who do?
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| If you want any insight to the new construction market, I can tell you what, when, who is building, how many. Our company collects stats on new construction for the past 19 years in WI. Most markets in WI are down 75-80% from the peak years of 03-05. The residential building industry is experiencing the largest decline in the last 25 years. THere are lots of builders that will never make it past the end of the year. We have seen firsthand the effect of the drop in the residential market and all the subcontractors related. Inventory levels in some areas of WI are greater than 1 years supply of new homes. Businesses that were on top of the world 3 years ago and struggling to survive today. If anyone is seriously looking for information on new construction across WI, please fee free to drop me an e-mail or call me. Dominic Collar |
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Location: Menasha, WI | Purple Skeeter,
With all this talk of the MWC and the PWT, I was wondering if this is going to affect the NCA or the MWLA. I need to know for 2009, what these organizations have planned, any help or input on this???? Also, do we need to make a new exemption in the rules for the NCA now that your old house will be off limits to crawelering???
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The NCA is moving our headquarters to Oshkosh. I was down all last week supervising the construction of our new grounds. It was an exciting time watching the all new super enriched hybrid soil get put in place. We will have over 1 acre dedicated to the championship event yet to be announced. Our board of directors has also indicated that membership dues are way ahead of schedule which has enabled us to purchase additional land for our new lake home for the president, so keep those donations and memberships coming in. While we recognize that other so called "tournaments" may be experiencing financial turmoil, the NCA's financing is strong and we are close to announcing a major sponsor in the next few weeks. Purple Skeeter President NCA
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| No there is not, they have their hands full with QUALITY PEOPLE representing their organization already. Here's the latest press release! I also heard they were courting the NCA president because they wanted to offer a complete line of Purple containers and this sponsor has declined to move forward as his time is consumed building a new home and they are now seeking an alternates. Rumor has it that they are adamant that the best way to grow business is to invest in individuals and not tournament corporations! Although, I also heard Bob has insider trading info there and might know something I don't.
HUNTERSVILLE, N.C. (Sept. 15, 2008) - Sally Hebert joined Greg Biffle in the winner's circle at the NASCAR Sprint Series Sylvania 300 on Sunday, collecting a prize package of $100,000 cash and an additional $100,000, which she chose to donate to The Conklin Center for the Blind through Rubbermaid's "Race Back to School and Win" promotion. After being selected from 30,000 entries, Hebert saw her original winnings of $1,000 in cash and a $1,000 donation multiply by 100 when Biffle took the checkered flag at New Hampshire Motor Speedway in the NASCAR Chase opening race.
HUNTERSVILLE, N.C. (Sept. 15, 2008) - Sally Hebert joined Greg Biffle in the winner's circle at the NASCAR Sprint Series Sylvania 300 on Sunday, collecting a prize package of $100,000 cash and an additional $100,000, which she chose to donate to The Conklin Center for the Blind through Rubbermaid's "Race Back to School and Win" promotion. After being selected from 30,000 entries, Hebert saw her original winnings of $1,000 in cash and a $1,000 donation multiply by 100 when Biffle took the checkered flag at New Hampshire Motor Speedway in the NASCAR Chase opening race.
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| You just can't make this stuff up....
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| When it comes to Fishing Tournaments, Willow Cats, and Politics I need a "Care-o-meter" that registers the direct reflection of how I feel. Zero!!!
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| Steve,
What is so amazing? Are you implying that I'm not smart enough to add up 2 and 2? On the contrary, you were the one, that BNB pointed out, did not want to ADMITT that there may be a problem with the PWT and that a handful of anglers got together to form AIM. True or not?
Also is it true that you and Jim K are very very good friends? Does it not stand to reason that "if you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours"? Cause that's how the "good ole boys" work.
Now shall we play nice? Remember you took the first shot.
I'm asking the simple question, Why? Why has there only been 3 press releases and 1 "stage" appearence in regards to AIM. Which is supposedly a new circuit that will be ready for 2009. Does it not stand to reason that advertising, marketing, and word of mouth would be a good method to get people to come play the game? Or perhaps the guys that plan to fishin AIM will plan on doing one of two things, A) fish for their own money, or B) plan to keep the sponsor dollars limited to a smaller group of fishermen.
As for the "good ole boys network" statement, I questioned the Super pro's when it was formed, what it would become, please don't spin my words around. The design of the Super pro's was to put more dollars in the pockets of the Super pro's...pure and simple, Correct? The argument there is, where does the money come from? I think "some" want a taste of those sponsor dollars.
Next, if AIM is going to collect big time sponsor dollars, as BNB suggested, does it not make sense that AIM would display some kind of organization? I highly suspect AIM is not going after small potatoes for sponsors, at the same time, what big sponsor is going to throw a big chunk of change at an organization that doesn't appear to be organized in the general public or on the surface. Where's the substance?
Finally, this is a walleye fishing message board, when did it become a crime to ask questions and wonder about the future of walleye fishing? Why do you imply that I suggest it's a conspiracy? I would think it would only be smart money for the guys whose livelyhood depends on fishing and in their best interest to insure that their livelyhood continues had they known there was a problem with the PWT.
On a side note, Domic does bring up an interesting tidbit......the construction industry is down. There is a large number of construction workers, employees, employers, owners that play the game. One has to wonder how much that will impact tournament fishing
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| The break up of PWT and re-org into a new circuit was rumored well before the actual announcement was made and also it was rumored that it would re-emerge as a "Co-op" with it's own fisherman investors. The new AIM is not any paradigm shift, it is trying to literally copying a similar successful change that was previously done in the PBR, see below:
Professional Bull Riders Inc.
The WHO, WHAT, and WHERE of the Professional Bull Riders
The Professional Bull Riders, Inc., was founded in 1992 by 20 accomplished bull riders who joined together and took a business risk to try make bull riding – the most popular event in traditional rodeo – into a stand-alone sport. Each rider chipped in $1,000 to help launch his dream of someday seeing bull riders recognized as mainstream professional athletes.
As of April 23, 2007, Spire Capital Partners, L.P., a private equity firm based out of New York, became partner and majority investor in the PBR. Randy Bernard, Ty Murray, Tom Teague and all the Directors of the PBR will continue as shareholders. Fifteen of the shareholders are among the elite 45 riders currently on the BFTS tour, which will help preserve the tradition originally started by the cowboys in 1992.
Point being, who cares about when where and why PWT folded, they did, and if AIM can get enough investors more power to them.
There will always be gloom and doom people as well as those wearing rose colored glasses, I do agree though that it's too bad that anytime on this site if you disagree with 3 or 4 of the regulars you are condemned immediately, as they simply are wearing blinders.
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | Bad news bob - 9/22/2008 10:52 AM Just becasue you don't understand the motivation behind forming AIM doesn't make it any less factual. Your chronology is wrong, BNB, making nonsense out of your last post. No conspiracy at play, no hidden agendas. Who told you? Me NOT understand?????? LMAO. That is the first thing people say when you start questioning their lie. You have got to be kidding? One thing about tournament fishing I do understand is somebody wants the $$$$$$$. The easier the money the more they want it. Nonsense?....re-read my posts with an open mind. Did I call your posts nonsense because I didn't agree with them? You Mr Sworral, are a PR guy's dream because you will believe what they say for all the wrong reasons. Come on Mr Sworrel, I know you are real smart guy but please....this tournament stuff just isn't bred on a rock and form by itself. Somebody has an agenda and a self interest and that is the way tournament fishing HAS ALWAYS WORKED. There is no such a thing as socialism in tournament fishing. All tournament fisherman are not created equal nor are their intentions OR their reasons. Let my opinion go on record saying this. A major hidden reason AIM was formed is certain members knew the PWT was going belly up. These guys can't/won't or are prohibited from fishing the FLW so they started up the AIM circuit. WOW , INTERESTING , ABOVE BOB SAYS, aim was formed because certain pwt anglers are cant wont or are PROHIBITEC from fishing the Flw? this is interesting, will the FLW throw out certain well qualified anglers from fishing there events ? due to sponsor conflictions? or what ? IS THIS TRUE? IF SO THE FLW HAS ITS OWN ISSUES.. AND NOW I KNOW WHY SOME WOULD CARRY SO MUCH WATER FOR THEM. HEY BOB.. HELP ME OUT WITH THIS ONE , I FIND IT KINDA INTERESTING. |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | THE QUESTION is not only for the flw does anyone know of any evidence of anglers getting the cold shoulder from any cercuit , flw pwt mwc ? im not talking about past cheeters im talking about qualified professional anglers who would get there entri apliction rejected based on some political or contractual confliction . does this happen? for real? |
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| Bradley, yes, it has happened in the past. And on both sides of the fence. |
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Location: Rhinelander | Jayman,
What was 'amazing' to me is that you said what you did the way you said it.
'One number I've read here is 80....80 fishermen are involved, yet so little has been said about it. The initial number I heard was 50 investors. There does seem to be some "secrecy" to AIM. Then again when the Super Pro's were formed I questioned if it would become the "Good Ole' Boy's network". One has to ask the question...'
That's pretty clear, as in 'One has to ask the question'. My answer was that 77 anglers now and I'm sure more in the future is too many to create the 'good old boys' organization you suggest.
The PWT Super Pro events were exactly what they were, the entry fees and payouts were posted clearly; why question 'where the money came from', that's obvious, I would think. What in the world does 'some want a taste of the sponsor dollars' mean? 'Keep the sponsor dollars to a smaller group of fisherman'? That reads like 'conspiracy theory' speculation, show me how it doesn't. If a payout is more than entry fees, then sponsor dollars are in play. If not, then the sponsor dollars are in play elsewhere. Either way, if the dollars are clearly posted as to entry and payout, there you have it. I'm sure AIM will do just that, when they are ready, and not on a schedule designed by anyone on this message board.
Jim Kalkofen has been and still IS a business associate and a friend throughout the years he's been promoting fishing. What does that have to do with this, and exactly how would any 'back scratching' benefit either his position or ours? WalleyeFIRST reported EXACTLY what was released by In Fisherman, and did an interview to clear the air with Mr. Kalkofen after he had been let go. We frequently dispel rumors and offer interviews to get the facts out on issues. That's what we do. The fact Jim was the Executive Director meant he was the person we needed to interview. We kept in close contact, and rumors to the contrary, the PWT didn't release a single thing about closing the doors until that Friday, and WAS in fact negotiating 2009 with sites and sponsors all the way to that announcement. Now think about that...if that's so, and it is, how would anyone safely assume (as in actually making a reasonable business decision) what happened was inevitable? Any number of possibilities existed, and a number still do. As I have said, AIM was already a reality and would have been no matter WHAT the PWT did for 2009 or the future.
Jim Kalkofen's position with the PWT has nothing to do with your questions or BNB's attacks on people involved with the PWT, AIM, and others and the Organizations, which went to the sublime last night. As far as asking questions or debating ANY subject, that's fine, what isn't and in any reasonable conversation should never be is bashing or personal accusations/attacks; so let's stick to the substance of the matter.
'I'm asking the simple question, Why? Why has there only been 3 press releases and 1 "stage" appearance in regards to AIM. Which is supposedly a new circuit that will be ready for 2009. Does it not stand to reason that advertising, marketing, and word of mouth would be a good method to get people to come play the game? Or perhaps the guys that plan to fishin AIM will plan on doing one of two things, A) fish for their own money, or B) plan to keep the sponsor dollars limited to a smaller group of fishermen. '
You are speculating, using terms like 'supposedly', , insinuating that some of the AIM Anglers are...well, read your own post above. I think I answered that question based upon what we know about AIM's current readiness to go public with all future plans and details, and I answered clearly and fairly.
'Next, if AIM is going to collect big time sponsor dollars, as BNB suggested, does it not make sense that AIM would display some kind of organization? I highly suspect AIM is not going after small potatoes for sponsors, at the same time, what big sponsor is going to throw a big chunk of change at an organization that doesn't appear to be organized in the general public or on the surface. Where's the substance?'
You are speculating, BNB is speculating, insinuating that some of the AIM Anglers are...well, read your own post above. I think I answered that question based upon what I know about AIM's current readiness to go public with all future plans and details, and I answered clearly and fairly based upon the information OutdoorsFIRST currently has. Why would they offer anything more than they have until they are ready to do so?
'Finally, this is a walleye fishing message board, when did it become a crime to ask questions and wonder about the future of walleye fishing? Why do you imply that I suggest it's a conspiracy? I would think it would only be smart money for the guys whose livelyhood depends on fishing and in their best interest to insure that their livelyhood continues had they known there was a problem with the PWT.'
It obviously isn't a 'crime' nor did I ever say it was. My question stands; what IS the point of negative speculations/accusations until AIM releases their plans for the future and opens public operations?
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Those of you clamoring for true identities to be known.................it will never happen. He has been posting the same crap over on Walleye Central for a long time now. He will continue to hide behind the belief that he somehow influences big corporations, therefore he has to go unnamed.
My question is...........why do the circuits have to justify anything to any of you guys? Are the tournaments not optional? Isn't it your choice to fish under their rules and payouts? What do you care if the people are getting wealthy from the circuits?
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | The one nice part about walleye first Brian, is we can have this discussion and keep talking about the subject with out posts being deleted, dusted so when you read the thread it's impossible to understand anyones points. The other part is the same people always come on walleye central and say that you need to call the circuit if you have questions and basically styme anyone from hashing out things that they see ,in there minds eye, as being wrong in the scene today. You are told you are wrong because you do not think like the moderators. What is your handle on walleye central Brian? Remember many of us have been around along time. If you do not enjoy good discussion coupled with good bantering then walleye first may not be your choice of websites. For many, as you can see the post counts, it is. This is the way we roll over here.
If you do not care about a subject, then you do not have to read about it either, but the last thing we need is anyone playing Dad. These are peoples thoughts and anyone sponsoring or running a circuit should be looking for all the input they can about how that circuit is percieved in the public.
Also, you are right, it is none of our business. Of course I dont have to buy there sponsors product either. See how that makes its way around? |
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