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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Guys, go see what Gary has found out about the pwt on the next bite, hope thats ok zach and steve, just said he will only talk on there about questions.
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| Denny - Saw this also. Knew the PWT was struggling, but this sounds like the end is near. Too bad. C-Man |
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| More info:
http://dev.walleyefirst.com/article.asp?aid=1296 |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | I guess you can look at this many ways. The way I see it is when you win a pwt now, you get all cash instead of having to sell a boat that is worth less than what they say it is. They give you msrp on the package. I am sure it will put more dollars in the fishermans pocket and less in the pwt's. that would be why no championship. I dont see where a championship is so darn neccesary, with the guys fishing for the win everytime, it will be better for the fan as well. I really do not see this being the end. No one quit JK, Julie, chip, they just restructured. I dont think many fans understand how the fishermen fish for there dollars but 41000.00 dollars of there entrants fees were paid out in a boat. I think that this really is a good step for the sport as well as the fisherman. Now they are independant and can make changes as needed. |
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| My contract with some sponsors specifically states that the tournament series that I fish must have a championship. I wonder how many other people fall into this quagmire?
Now I need to ask my sponsors for an exception because of this.
On a side note (not wanting to sound negative from above concerns), the PWT will survive.
I'm afraid that no one tournament will fill so the 115% payback will never happen. But I will still fish it and hope others do too. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | can you tell me why you do not think that any one tournament will not fill? quite frankly I do not understand why they would not fill. |
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| Some think this way.........
What is the incentive to sign up for all tournaments? When we had the championship I was always hoping to qualify regardless of a bad finish. If I sign up one at a time and do poorly on first, what are my chances of getting $$$ for Angler of the Year? At the end of two tournaments I'll know if I should risk the financial reward to continue, especially if the remaining 2 tournaments are expensive for me or are not waters that work toward my strengths. Bottom line, there will be more cherry picking of events than ever.
I hear from friends that they are trying to get into the FLW. I believe that many will try to move over.
I hear from some friends that they are going to the MWC for a year.
I hear from a few that they are taking a year off.
Again, for me, I will be there. My incentives include trying to make the mag and the TV coverage. |
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| PWTer - 2/10/2008 11:47 AM
Some think this way.........
What is the incentive to sign up for all tournaments? When we had the championship I was always hoping to qualify regardless of a bad finish. If I sign up one at a time and do poorly on first, what are my chances of getting $$$ for Angler of the Year? At the end of two tournaments I'll know if I should risk the financial reward to continue, especially if the remaining 2 tournaments are expensive for me or are not waters that work toward my strengths. Bottom line, there will be more cherry picking of events than ever.
I hear from friends that they are trying to get into the FLW. I believe that many will try to move over.
I hear from some friends that they are going to the MWC for a year.
I hear from a few that they are taking a year off.
Again, for me, I will be there. My incentives include trying to make the mag and the TV coverage.
There is no doubt that there will be guys that after the first 2 decide that they cannot be angler of the year and will not fishthe remaining 2. That happens in the FLW as well. That happens in the MWC,MWS,WWA,and any other circuit out there. The difference is these guys that fish all the pwt's play at that level because of the level of competition. They are choosen by the PWT because of there credentials. If you are choosen and do not play, it hurts the whole group. I would guess it is very hard to get back in.
I dont know who your friends are but the "trying to get into the flw", well, there are always openings for a boater with a co to sign for all 4. There credentials dont mean anythinng. You are ranked starting with all 4 and a co. First are sponsor boats and second is every other boat with 4 and a co. I am not trying to bash, just make sure everyone knows the difference. BUT, I ask you this.
If you have any other rig than a sponsor boat and motor in the FLW, you are not getting the sponsor dollars, correct? Last year and this year, that would be 60,000.00 for the win. SOOOO...... if the pwt has 120 pro's, thats what they are in the PWT, and they have a all cash payout of 115% tell me which circuit will pay you back the most? Lets take John schneider at little bay last year. he got a boat and cash worth 65,716.00 and if it increases 15%, thats round numbers 10,000 more. For a 75,000.00 ish cash payout, CORRECT? Why would they jump away for that 15K loss.
Lets talk about why your buddy's would jump ship to go to the flw. I dont see any reason. OOPPPSSS.... no championship in the pwt, but there is something, a angler of the year race with payment down deep. we will see what that really means soon I am sure, but what we do know is this, you will not have to spend another week away from family and work to collect this cash. You wont have hundreds in gas bills to go somewhere to play for the cash.
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| It will be interesting to see how the pay-outs work. I doubt at the 115% payback that the dollars will be any where close to 75K for the winner. They will need to pay broader to keep people engaged. Let’s just hope they fine a plan that allows the PWT the ability to re-group and stay around. My guess (maybe not for 2008) but for 2009 they will start to incorporate a similar format as the FLW with payback linked to the equipment you use. |
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| I think the PWT needs to find a way to stick aroud, for all the pro anglers sake. Having two pro tours is a good thing. I never understood all the bashing of the PWT by some of the pro-FLW crowd. Having the two circuits will help to make sure the payouts are as high as they are. Without the PWT, I'd be willing to bet the payouts in the FLW will not remain the same. If they don't decrease, they certainly will not increase as fast as they would with a viable compettive circuit.
I think the PWT will survive, though it may go through some rough years. I think the key is to secure some outside sponsorship. The angling industry is tapped out. They, as well as the anglers, need to look outside the industry for new money. That is the one thing the FLW has done very well.
As for those looking to switch to the FLW? Better plan on getting a Ranger or a G3. Just having a co to sign up for all 4 may not be enough if that many switch to the FLW, or PWT goes away. |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | I agree with you Shep, that the walleye tournament industry needs both circuits to survive. The worst thing that could happen would be for the FLW to not have any competition.
I am willing to bet that this year is more of a show for prospective buyers for the PWT than anything. There are rumors going around about the possibility of the anglers owning the PWT. That wouldn't surprise me at all if it happened. |
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Location: Rhinelander | I spent the day last week Sunday on the ice fishing with JK and talked to him on the phone after the NB deal was posted here. We talked a little about the future of the PWT.
He has an excellent sales and marketing staff working very hard to take up the slack, so I'd expect they will get that job done to whatever level might be possible.
WalleyeFIRST will be posting a WF Radio interview with Jim some time this week. JK will offer up what's going to happen, what the plans are for the future, and how they intend to handle this speed bump in the present. |
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| Jerry, that's like twice in a month that you have agreed with me on something! What gives? hehehe
I have faith that Jim K will work through it this year, and come out stronger in the end. Looking forward to the coverage here of all the future PWT events and news. |
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| I agree, the PWT will survive. Keep this in mind as well, there is attrition on all the circuits. I know of at least two recent FLW championship winners that will not be fishing the FLW this year (Nascak and Lampman). How is that being interpreted by people, when two recent FLW Championship winners, running the "right" equipment by the way, can't even make it work -- negatively or positively? |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | flw'er
You seem to enjoy being the bearer of bad news. You seem to enjoy having the chance to point out the bad things. Just cause them 2 have decided to back away from the poker table when there pot was full, does that make something wrong with the sport in general? I guess you are not as wordly as you say you are. Some of what you point out is what a beginner in the circuits would be doing. I am not so sure of your ultimate intensions as well. |
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| I would suspect the most of the guys that compete in the FLW and the PWT have to pony up a lot of their own cash to compete. The cost of fuel and wear and tear on equipment that is not paid for by sponsors is an increasingly heavy load on many of the guys and gals. I would guess that some, like the PWT, may try to keep the tourneys more centralized to lower the costs for both the organizations and the participants.
The PWT is a good organization and has a class bunch of competitors. I hope they find their way through their difficulties.
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Location: Appleton wi | I agree thats one of the biggest misconceptions that many poeple have and that is that the pwt and flw guys are completly bankrolled by someone else. Perhaps lampman and nascak have good personal reason there not fishing the flw this year. Maybe it has nothing to do other than this."Fishing tournaments are not the most important thing in a person life". |
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| There was an insinuation that people are wholesale bailing out of the PWT and that is simply not true, there will be people that switch venues or don't fish the circuit at all every year for one reason or another. |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | If you sat down and figured out how many FLW and PWT pros are solely professional fisherman and are funded by their winnings and their sponsors, I think you would be surprised how low that number is. By my estimation, there are maybe 12-18 total. The tournament life isn't always the high times and glamor some would like to make it as. You have to love everything about fishing to make it your profession.....there are few days off. Maybe that is why some are chosing another direction. |
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