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| I gues we will have to find some jet boats and take up Capt. Dan's challenge on the Tittabawassee River:) Dan, you have to learn to be a bit more flexible. All the regulars here know how stuck you are on traditional means of fishing!!!!
This thread is a wild ride with a few nuggets here and there.
I particularily had a chuckle over the knock on Dennis. What these kids come up with.
I predict that someone, somewhere, will have a artifical only walleye tourney next year. Hows that for a solid prediction?
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | The following info was taken from Doc Talk posted on WalleyeFan.com Some interesting reading from some of the Pro's who fished the artificial only tournament............. More artificial-only reax | Tuesday, 19 August 2008 | | The consensus among the pros WalleyeFan spoke with was the that last week's Lake Wabigoon PWT Can-Am Super Pro was an overwhelming success. From the venue to the community support to the Canada vs. USA format to the artificial-lures only rule, it certainly sounds like a tournament of this kind has a future. But with the PWT having already announced its plans to close its doors following this season, what that future will be remains uncertain. Here's what a few pros said about fishing Wabigoon without the benefit of live bait. Tom Backer "I think it would absolutely work in the future. I think it's the wave of the future. As you could see with some of the weights, it doesn't make much difference. I've always had confidence in Gulp and PowerBait. And you can't forget about cranks. I caught fish on those, too." Mark Martin "I think it's an attractive format. I think the next time we do it we should do it in the States. That would add to the Can-Am aspect of it. "It was a good time. It was interesting to fish all artificials and it just shows that it can be done." Geoff Stadnyk "At first, I was skeptical. I thought it'd be a lot tougher but I have a lot of confidence it them now whereas before, I wasn't 100% confident." Tom Kemos "You can fish plastics more erratically on jigs versu live bait and it triggers bites more. Until I find they won't eat that, I'll start with it. I'm no stranger to it. I won the '06 PWT Championship with a Gulp minnow." Perry Good "I think the days of using minnows and redtails are done with all the diseases and VHS around. I'm known more as a live-bait fisherman and I'd hate to see it go. I'm not much a cranker either but I think it'd be good for the bait companies. I fish bass a lot and love to use plastic worms." John Kolinski "I think it'll catch on. I do a lot of jig fishing with plastics anyway. I did some shallow-water cranking this week. I enjoy it. I've been doing it. Are the artificials better than the real thing? No, but it's getting better all the time." |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | Jim Ordway - 8/19/2008 4:33 PM
I gues we will have to find some jet boats and take up Capt. Dan's challenge on the Tittabawassee River:) Dan, you have to learn to be a bit more flexible. All the regulars here know how stuck you are on traditional means of fishing!!!!
Jim O
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You must have missed my Gulp Nippers post. See below.  Artificails, like all un-natural fish attractents are like the song, "You gotta know when to hold them and when to fold them". My whole concern is keeping that second, fresh, natural deck of cards in play when and if I feel, need or know I need it. Like on the super clear/super shallow Tittabawassee most of the time. And if you want to accept my challenge, heres the deal. We'll both fish out of my boat and I'll give you the best seat and angle at the best holes. You out fish me with artificials the trips free. I outfish you with those nasty emeralds, you pay double. 
Nippers Post.
Had one heck of a plan today. The brother took the day off and we formulated a trolling plan to help each other out. We would start NW of the Black Hole while staying parallel with the 2nd and 3rd ledges/drop-offs along Pinconning and Saganing bars. Brother Dave would stay in 12 to 14 fow and I would stay in 18 to 21 FOW and we would troll within sight of each other and stay in Cell phone communication. I hit pay dirt first with a single fish on an eyeliminator and Capt. Dan spoon harness, both purple in color. Then a long dry spell and Dave worked his way into 16/17 FOW. I finally hit a spot that was full of fish, high and low. Bang we hit a double, both on Rattle Tot's and sliders. Unfortunately, we got lines tangled on the way in and we lost both fish right behind the boat. Spun back around and hit a 4 pounder. Then it started. We had at least 10 rips on the Eyeliminators and #8 Tommy Harris thumpers. I'd reel in, and the tip of the Gulp would be gone. I mean they would rip the rubber bands out of the releases like a salmon might, and nothing. The picture shows 3, but we ended the day with 6 fish in the box. Oh ya, brother dave got notta.
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | Now thats what I am talking about capt. Dan. Ordway, don't turn it down man. hehehe |
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| Hey Sunshine: Did you expect these guys were going to say this tournament sucked and I will never fish this format again? Of course they dribbled on about how great it was, and because it was artificial only nobody will ever know if some of them may have done better with something natural. It was a great time and it was set up with certain limitations, good for them, but no reason to say it was any better than other methods.
By the way I'm still waiting for anyone to answer my question on why it has to be artificial only, why change when we now have both. Factual answers only please. If there is no advantage for natural bait users, according to the artificial pushers on here, then what's the need for change? You guys will win all the tourneys with the artificials so just leave it alone and win all your $ over us guys that are stuck with our worms. |
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | A Public Service Message from the E.S.M.I.A. (Emerald Shiners Missing In Action). Please everyone, boycot the use of live bait. So many of our loved ones have taken that fateful pail ride to the river or lake and have never returned. We can only speculate what happens to them, but have uncovered a picture taken off a local fishing guides web site that gives us a clue too their fate. After some investigation we've identified our poor sister in the picture as Emma, locally known as Emma the Emerald. With the permission of Emma's parents, Earl and Ella, we've chosen Emma as this year poster child. We hope this will encourage everyone who fishes with minnow or a worm to always use a rubber. 
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Location: Berlin | CT, I like your arguement. Keep it up as well as yours Dan.
As for the comments made by the pro's, what did you expect them to say?? Think about it.
You guys want to use artificials all the time, go for it. Don't tell me that I have to cause it ain't gonna happen.
You want walleye fishing to be as popular as bass?? Change the earth's climate to be more hospitable to walleye's down south. Change a walleye's behavior to love shallow water only. Change a walleye's DNA so their mouth is as wide as the fish is long. Convince a walleye to jump every time it is hooked. Most importantly, make a walleye eat anything and everything all day long. News flash, walleyes are not bass and they never will be.
If you want to fish all artificials, fish bass. The circuits and tournmanets are everywhere. Lets try to find NEW ways of growing the sport not just copying what BASS does. That stuff works for them because they are BASS.
Jerry hit it right on the head I believe in his predictions for the future of walleye tournaments. The only thing this will do is piss off the live bait users. Some things are better left alone.
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Location: Essexville, MI./Saginaw Bay. | I was hoping my last post would show how ironic and weird this thread has become. And I thought the angle I used, especially coming from the inventor of the "Meat Freak" would finally get across the notion that anything that works gets a place in my tackle box. But where the conversation is going reminds me of those Orvis Guys I used to run into on the Pere Marquette river while salmon and steelhead fishing. Orvis rods, reels, waders, hats, line gloves and even trucks dedicated to one product, claiming surpreme quality and authority over all other used. Of course they also came with a supreme price tag and it seemed a supreme/superior attitude for those sporting and using that brand name. None of us want to go any further in that direction in walleye fishing then we already have do we? 
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Location: Oshkosh, Wisconsin | Hello, my name is Brad and I use live bait. It's been about 3 weeks since I have used live bait. When the weather is nasty or after cold front conditions, I can not control my urge to use live bait so that I can actually catch a walleye. I am planning on fishing a tournament again this weekend and I know there will be live bait in the boat - I will be tempted, but if the good Lord is with me, I hope to be strong and resist the urge to use livebait again.
On second thought... who really cares? Most of us got started on fishing by hanging a worm under a bobber - the last thing I'm going to do is comdemn that style of fishing when it what most of us started out doing. |
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Location: Rhinelander | Who said anything about this being an exclusive and mandatory thing for all tournaments?
There WILL be future Artificials Only challenge events eventually. Bet on it, the last one went really well. The event will be on water friendly to that concept at the right time of the year, I bet. I bet payouts will be 125% to 150%, too.
You can choose to enter if that option is available to you, or not.
Doesn't mean ALL or even MOST walleye tournaments will be 'no live bait'.
A considerable segment of the Walleye industry is interested in seeing the artificials only/Pro/Co Angler format continue to develop. If the sponsors put up the Jingle for a 125% to 150% payout, and the event promoters do a good job.... We'll all just have to wait and see, I guess.
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Location: Berlin | As long as it is done on the appropriate system, it has a chance but in my opinion this kind of tournament will not last long at all. They had great conditions and a great bite. Had they not, this conversation would not be happening (again, my opinion).
I don't have any problem with the original intent of the thread. I do have a problem with the idea of making all walleye tournaments artificial only or in the thinking that this would somehow benefit the sport. |
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| I think it would be fun on the right body of water, and allow the walleye world to gradually take it on.
I am a newbie at the tournament thing, but hope to move into the bigger tournaments.
Down here on Pool 4 artificial are huge, Everts artificial selection is huge, I watched a DVD that had Tim Hutchinson and he says he has not used meat for something like 12 yrs, and I have had some success on lakes, for me it is confidence thing, grew up dragging a hunk meat around.
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| Capt Dan,
Working with you card metaphor, you sure know now to stack the deck. I might as well just send you a check and save the gas money
We might as well have a little fun with this post in that it has pretty much turned on its head.
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