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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Culling in Wisconsin??
The gov just passed the law for bass culling. Haven't seen the language to know if it effects other tournaments like walleye. I have mixed emotions on this as a tournament fisherman. What do my friends think? Have we just sold our souls to the devil (called big $$$)? My gut tells me that the discussion should be about the resource and not the fisherman. I believe that AIM has the right idea.Let the discussion continue. Reading the articles, it's obvious that the state is doing this for the $$$, not for the benefit of the resource.
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | Read all about it! Here it is. Sounds like bass only.
http://nxt.legis.state.wi.us/nxt/gateway.dll?f=templates&fn=default...
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Location: Badgerland | Good move for WI. Doubtful there will be a negative impact on the resource, more likely positive with all the info gathered by the DNR at the events of which this law change will result in only 2-3 big new series events per year, Everstart, BFL, ect... Great advertising for WI tourism by getting this state on the right page to land these events and gain exposure.
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | At this time I do not think it has any impact on walleye tournaments and I doubt that it will. I'm sure there are some that will push for this for walleye fishing but the overwhelming majority of walleye tournament anglers are not for it. |
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Location: Manitowoc WI | What? you cant cull in walleye tournaments in Wisconsin? :P Who would have guessed.
They might as well allow it, since you don't really know who, or who isn't following the rules.
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| Hard to beat a lie detecter test. I know they do that in Otter Street. My partner and I don't even think of cheating. I would think most people are the same. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | I think this was a good thing personally. WI was the only state left that I know of that had a no culling rule on bass. If you look at all the bass tournaments that take place all over the country, many of them taking place yearly on a lot of waters and effects have been minimal. Sure, delayed mortality will happen to some, but no different than a non-competitive venue.
Mark my words, Bassmaster Elite Series and or a Bassmaster Open will be in WI next year, Green Bay, Sturgeon Bay or Winnebago. |
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| Top ten in a walleye tournment paying out ( lets pick 5 or 10 grand) mandatory top ten take lie detector test, just my opinion.  |
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Location: Manitowoc WI | Sometimes people get so nervous over lie detector test it makes them fail, even if they are honest :/
also 10 minutes of research on google and you can learn how to pass them when your lieing :P
May as well allow culling on wisconsin waters. Most fish don't die mid-lake, death usually comes to release in the warm waters where the weigh in's release.
The only real concern is the spread of VHS if you have 1 infected big fish in your livewell and your culling smaller fish all day, you could be infecting the whole fishery in 1 tournament. |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | How can you justify legalizing the relaxing rules for only one group of fishermen and not others? How can you justify doing this for the purpose of attracting big bucks at the expense of the natural resource?
And please do not justify this to me because people cheat. You do not relax laws because people break them. That analogy is flawed. If we bought into that reasoning there would be no speed limits and the drinking age would be 12. Hey, let's take your logic a step further and eliminate all closed fishing seasons. Just think of all the tourism dollars we can generate.
It's been awhile since I read any research on the effects of culling. Time for me to hit the books so unlike others I can base my opinion on logic instead of emotions.
I will say this. Watch this governor. He is no friend of the natural resources. He will sell our heritridge and the future resource for a quick buck. He is quietly dismantling the DNR (as we know it) as we speak. You may not like all their rules but their mission should be protected. We have enough natural causes to worry about. Do not let a bureaucrat add to our problems. |
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Location: Badgerland | Do this:
"It's been awhile since I read any research on the effects of culling. Time for me to hit the books so unlike others I can base my opinion on logic instead of emotions. "
Then explain this:
"How can you justify doing this for the purpose of attracting big bucks at the expense of the natural resource?"
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | 620:
The first bit of research that I have done comes from our very own DNR in 2006. http://dnr.wi.gov/fish/fishingtournaments/TournamentMortalityCullin...
Their findings as shown in 2007 are here:
http://walleye.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?fid=2...
Here is my conclusion after reading this report. I will continue to do my research. Culling is another added cause of mortality. Combining this practice along with other practices can do harm to the environment. My concerns include:
Water temperature
Dissolved oxygen
Metabolic waste
Handling time
Tournament size
Physiological stress
improper confinement
poor handling
poor weigh-in procedures
running tournaments during times of high water temperatures
I believe that culling may be be conducted only if:
1. each boat is checked to see that they have proper equipment to circulate or aerate water.
2. each boat is equipped and uses chemical water conditioners in an effort in increase live well water quality.
3. No tournaments should occur when Largemouth Bass Virus is present.
4. No bass tournaments should be held during periods of high water temperatures.
5. maintaining proper live well temperatures and holding bass for as short a time as possible.
Number 5 above is of the most interest to me while discussing this. Culling in effect may allow bass to spend less time in the livewell vs if there was no culling. This may improve mortality rates. However, as mentioned in a previous post and again in this study, tournament organizers should be concerned with the bass virus and have all contestants use chemical water conditioners.
Here is an excerpt taken from a DNR article from 2007 for your reading pleasure:
MADISON – Bass fishing tournaments in which participants are allowed to “cull,” or sort fish, have a minimal effect on fish survival when water temperatures are low but can be a concern when water temperatures are warm, according to a recently released report on the impacts of such tournaments in Wisconsin.
Less than 1 percent of bass caught during tournaments when water temperatures were low died in the live well or later after the fish was released, but that mortality rate climbed to 15.6 percent for largemouth bass and 33.9 percent for smallmouth bass when water temperatures were above 80 degrees, according to the report, which details results from separate studies the Department of Natural Resources commissioned to meet a lawmaker’s request.
Other key findings are that:
* Bass tournaments can boost the host community’s economy, particularly if the contest attracts out-of-state participants and spectators, but the additional economic boost of allowing tournaments that cull was small and it isn’t clear that allowing culling will attract a lot of new tournaments.
* A majority of anglers are opposed to culling for bass tournament participants and that attitude is driven by perceived impacts of culling. If tournament participants do not need to follow live well standards, 85 percent of sport anglers are opposed to culling; that opposition drops to 51 percent if participants are required to have live wells that meet minimum standards.
“The studies confirmed much of what we had seen from other states and what we expected here in Wisconsin,” says Mike Staggs, Department of Natural Resources fisheries management director. “The most significant result is that regardless of the measures tournament organizers have taken to date to keep fish alive, some bass do suffer delayed mortality particularly when water temperatures are high.”
Staggs says the most surprising result was that nearly 1 in 5 of Wisconsin anglers surveyed said they participated in fishing tournaments – “that was higher than most people thought.” |
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Location: Badgerland | I'd say with this change WI will see maybe 3 more tournies a year now, however they will be majors. Factor in at most on the VERY HIGH side thats 900 boats x 9 days at most 40,500 fish, at 15% mortality 6,075 bass per year on the VERY HIGH side, subtract from that the possible lowered mortality rate due to the less time some bass will spend in the livewell in ALL tournies, which I would believe would counter the increase due to more fish being run through the livewell and culled out. IMO |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | I will pop up and say that this is a slap in the face for walleye tournaments and the general public as well. How can they give to one and not all? The general fisherman does it and has no clue he is not supposed to. BUT, tell him that only bass tourney guys can do this and watch him go ballistic.
Jerry, I am a little blowen away by your comment thats states that most guys you know do not want culling. That amazes me, most I know, and we know alot of the same, want it. |
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Location: Badgerland | I would rather this was just a bass thing, due to the difference between how eyes and bass survive the livewell. Plus I like the component of decision making whether to keep or release the right walleyes on tournament day. And as far as the general public Stacker only the meathounds would want culling AND THAT would be a impact on the resource.
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| I don’t see the walleye tournaments getting culling anytime soon since the new DNR tourney rule now limits us to a 6 fish limit starting the second weekend in June, this is a joke and has taken all the fun out of fishing tournaments this time of the year. Merc, Otterstreet and the others have basically become no cull tournaments with only being able to keep 6 and weigh 5 fish. Maybe they could look at weighing only 4 fish instead, at least that way we could upgrade half our weigh fish instead of 1/5th. I know myself and a few other teams quit fishing these tourneys this year because of this new rule, just another reason these once popular tournaments are having a hard time filling up. It is hard to compete for a paycheck when I am throwing back small fish trying to keep the right 6 fish and other teams cycle as many fish through their livewells as possible, they might not win, but they definitely are taking pay spots. When we could keep 10 or even when it went to an 8 fish limit the cullers never bothered us, that was plenty of fish for us to play with, but now having only 1 fish to play with it will be difficult to honestly place well. From my experience I think factors like extremely hot days and rough conditions kill way more fish than overcrowding in the livewell, besides we and most other teams I know always kept the small fish in the second livewell so we didn’t have to sort them out at the weigh in. The dead fish from these live release tourneys went to a great cause to feed the hungry so it was a good situation. |
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Location: Appleton wi | Merc, Otterstreet and the others have basically become no cull tournaments with only being able to keep 6 and weigh 5 fish. Maybe they could look at weighing only 4 fish instead
Guest, i dont think you know what culling is by law. Your calling tournament upgrading culling. Culling is not keeping 10 or 8 fish in the live well and only weighing 5 fish that is upgrading
Culling is having either 1 fish in the live well or 5 and catching another one and replacing it with one in your live well or stringer and throwing that one back in the water . The difference here is anyone can replace a fish from your tank as long as you count the one you threw back in as your daily bag limit, wich is 5 on the winnabago system per person.
I dont see a problem with bass tourny culling, lets try it and see how it goes.JMHO
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| You are right eye lunker, I should have stated it as very minimal upgrading opportunities, not culling. |
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| WOW, I started being vocal on this topic in 1991 when it was first brought to the table by bass tourney folk. NOW 20 YEARS LATER big money and organized politics has beat me!
It should never be allowed for ANY species or any "select" group of anglers. ALL it is going to do is divide them further! Big money and TV win again! There are all kinds of stupid rules on the books and this one is no different. I say lets exploit the system and fight for the same rights for ALL anglers and lets see how hard it becomes to manage.
My guess is that it will turn into something like the deer baiting law did from a 2'x2' pit to a 5 gallon bucket to zone by zone baiting to everyone needs a 2 acre food plot to compete with their neighbor!
My grandma would love to sit on the raft all night so she can fillet up her (5) 25"-28" wolf river walleyes, and unfortunately there are way too many others like her!
Good Luck
Tyee
PS. Glad to see some new commers weighing in. |
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| Hey a lil less grass or rock carp in bago....all for culling bass.....as for walleye. after the there weighed in how many die from delayed moratity??? an most walleye boats if not all do have adequate recirvulation. in live wells. an better to keep 5 fish in a live well then 10. an how many guys do that........come on.... what planet u ppl live on???? |
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