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| I had an interesting thing happen to me today on my harnesses on the bay of Green Bay. For the second day in a row, I have been using the same 20# Vanish on my harnesses. On my first pass today, I put 6 Walleyes in the boat, all in the 19-22 inch range. On my next pass, I broke 3 harnesses on larger fish in the 26-29 inch range as I was netting them. They all broke right above the first hook. Over the last few weeks on the bay, I have lost a dozen or so harnesses on larger fish all with 20# vanish, but in the past, I never saw the fish, and all that came back was most of my harness line and nothing else. I just figured the northerns were biting them off since I seem to be getting 2 or 3 a day in the 30-35 inch range.
But here's what I discovered, after losing a big sheephead on a harness that broke off, the sheephead managed to get hooked on another harness. As I brought him in, I noticed the 2 hooks from my broken harness. As I examined the line just above the first hook, it looked like it had been turned down to a point on a lathe. I quickly looked at a couple of my other harness and noticed the the metal clevis I was using on the 20# Vanish was slowley wearing away the line in the spot just above the first hook. Mystery solved. All the harness that I had in my boat that were used just 1 day, I could easily break the 20# Vanish with just a slight tug because the metal clevises.
This is the first (and last)batch of harness that I have ever tied with the metal clevis. I switched everything back over to quick change plastic.
By the way, I've been catching between 15 - 40 Walleyes a day running harnesses on the bay. Everywhere from 3 feet of water to 25 feet of water. Just depends on the wind that day.
Hope this tip saves someone the trouble I experieced this past week. I was beginning to think that there was something wrong with the way I tied my knots.
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Location: upper michigan | are you useing vanish leader material or just vanish flour. there is a huge difrence in the lines definatly use the leader material. |
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| had a similar problem on Erie this spring with flourocarbon as our leader line, finally took it all off and problem gone, frayed very easily.
Will be on the Bay this saturday 7/22, have you been catching yours in the same area as all the FLW boys were in. |
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| Why would you tie with the metal clevis? I only use the quick change, as I want to be able to change the blade, not have a zillion harnesses tied with every bead and blade combo.
As for Vanish, I can't say. I use 15# Seaguar or Scientific Angler flouro for my harnesses, and that line works great. |
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| Interesting, something to keep in mind. Also if you use glass beads they will cut mono/floro leaders. I use strictly metal clevis' and have never had an issue with them. I'm wondering if you got a bad batch of them. I tried the quick change clevis' til I "threw" to many blades.
Another thing to watch for, once you net a fish if you have them on the front hook and the back hook is free. I've had a number of them, where the back hook gets caught in the net and either fatigue the line between the hooks or simply snap it as soon as the net hits the bottom of the boat. Always check your line very well after landing a fish. When in doubt...retie.
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| Only time I lose blades is on sheeps! Never lose them when an eye is hooked. What's up with that? |
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| On the fish I lost at the net, I never got a chance to get them "in the net", they would give a head shake and break at the last moment. The line I'm using is the leader material in 20#. As for losing a harness on a plastic clevis, I've never experienced that in 5 years of fishing the bay. I bought the metal clevises because they were out of the plastic and I wanted to tie 5 dozen harnesses to add to the 350 I already have tied. A bit a sarcasim!
I have been in the area that the FLW boys fished for a couple of weeks. I had to switch areas yeaterday because the fish moved, one can argue about the pressure, I was there on opening day of the tournament and I felt like I was being invaded by a foreign country. All of a sudden I looked up and saw 150 boats coming at me, everyone was catching lots of fish.
Yeaterday, I caught most of my fish (after 2 hours searching) 3 miles northeast off Ganoes on 5/8 oz inline chain weights 50 feet back on the boards with a #5 Colorado blades in either blue/silver/pink or Firetiger witha chartruese back.
To look for fish, I have been running at 20 mph with the ping speed maxed out and the gain turned up very high. It workes well for me because the transducer is mounted on the step on the hull of my boat. Nothing fancy about finding fish, just find a group and work em high to low until they turn on. I've caught fish in the top 5 feet of water in 25 feet and I've caught them on bottom bouncers on the same day.
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| mr. v.d. opps g.b. ha ha ha |
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Location: Manitowoc WI | Are you sure the clevis was the problem? Vanish is notorious for knots slipping/breaking depending on how you tie your snell.. i use 14lb vanish w/ no problems yet. i tried 20lb but i dont like that it is not as pliable. |
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| How deep of water are you fishing
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| BudsBud,
I've been using 17# vanish. I feel it holds up better against the zebes than the 14# does. But the 17# is not quite as stiff as the 20#. Be sure to "wet" the knot before you cinch it up. Good luck |
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| "Only time I lose blades is on sheeps! Never lose them when an eye is hooked. What's up with that?"
Shep,
Perhaps you just haven't caught enough eyes yet?  I've heard of a some guys having better luck with the quick change sinker clevis', the black ones with the inside "hook". I'm stubborn and will have a hard time to change back. Can't afford to "toss a blade" and be running a lindy rig, when they're hitting spinners. I'm curious to what kind of quick change clevis's you have used. |
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Location: Appleton wi | Your cure is stop using vanish. i have had similair problems and the only time i have these issues is with big fish on the bay. There is no comparison when hooking into 6lbs plus walleyes and a typical bago 20".vanish seems brittle to me and i have lost to many fish. Back to mono for me! Also i have lost blades before on the bay asnd its beciause the fish hits the blade not the crawler or hooks. I never loose sheephead 
Edited by eye Lunker 7/20/2006 3:07 PM
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| hahahah Ritch, Sheephead never get off, do they? As for vanish...I'm gonna have to talk to Berkely and get on their prostaff or something. I'm the only person that hasn't had a problem and still use the stuff I've seen vanish do some amazing things while prefishing for tourneys, mostly all for the good.
Then again I had a spool wrap the kicker prop that didn't seem to break either but that's another story to be told over a beer sometime.  |
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| This is the first time I have tried Vanish. I have used 17# XT in the past, but I wanted a stiffer line so that when the crawler comes loose from the front hook, the line between the first and second hook will not twist.
Last time I was out, I was in 22 feet of water straight Northeast from Ganoes. It's been changing every couple of days.
It sure is getting expensive to chase Walleyes. I have been spending on average $85 bucks a day to get to the landing and fill my boat. I have to find a good fishing partner with deep pockets or put my wife and kids on a budget.
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Location: Lincolnshire, IL | Jayman, the clevis'(don't know the plural for clevis, is it clevisesisis?) from Stamina tackle have the hook on the end in either the medium or sinker style..I use the mediums and still lose a blade now and then(mostly on sheeps) but the ability to quick change the blade far outweighs the losses for me anyway... |
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| Same here on the quick change clevis. I tie enough harnesses, I can't imagine how I would tie the infinate number of combinations of beads, AND blades.
I don't know the Brand Name, but I have used Xtreme Tackle, Stamina, and I think the last batch I got was from Lakeland. I do not reuse clevises, or hooks, when I retire a harness. I do reuse the beads, unless they are the gold or silver. They get too dull, and don't work as good. |
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| we use ten pound trilene xt. We have fished Erie and never had one break. Went out on the Bay today and did good. We went out from 6:30-NOON and had a two man limit from 17-30 inches. 6 catfish. 3 perch from 8.5-12.5 inches. All fish caught on spinners in 21-27 feet of water near the pack off of Ganos reef |
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| give me a email address. live near bay,,,mrbillgb |
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