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| The last thing we need on Bago or the bay of Green Bay is another tournament. There are over 40 tournaments on Bago every year starting in spring and it's getting to the point that no one is willing to help out or post any information any more. The local guys that fish never post any information on the current bite for fear that it will ruin thier upcoming tournament. And the guys that are willing to post information get all kinds of crap thrown their way when they do post. I've been out on the Bay of GB and Bago this year a few times and there are simply too many tournaments. Please explaine to me with all the guys that read this post and Lake-link and other Walleye web sites and fish the waters of the Bago chain and the Bay of GB, so few are willing to share any information even in a general way.
I don't get out as much as I used to, but most guys that I know that fish for Walleyes in tournaments treat their hobby like it's some kind of big secret and they are evasive if you ask them anything and will not tell you a darn thing.
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Location: LaCrosse, WI | Don't take my post as a slam on the circuit. I was simply stating that I'd love to fish the circuit if it had some more tourneys on my part of the state. If I lived in the area of the tournies, I'd probably love it.
When it comes down to it, I can spend the same kind of money to fish other circuits that I don't have to travel 2-1/2 hours minimum for every tournament. I like the team format, and I like some of the anglers that fish it. I just wish it was here too.
No whining, just wishful thinking. As for the locals, every tourney I've ever fished has been about 50% or more locals. Every time I cash a check against them, it's worth 10 times as much to me. If you don't like fishing against locals, start up a by invite only circuit. |
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| Looks like the results were predicted months ago and many had the same concerns then as they do now.
http://walleye.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=5...
http://walleye.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=6...
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| Then why did you fish the tournament? The MWS is what it is and the tournaments are where they are, and by this post you already knew what the schedule would be back then and fished it anyway, then complained when you got beat. I have an idea, move to Osh Kosh. Then you'd be a local and would win all the Bago events. |
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| The late April/early may date is tradition, and I hope it is held that weekend in the future. It was not a bad bite this year, it was a day of bad weather. Nobody can predict that. Way unfair to comment that it was a bad bite.
It's easy to complain, but the fact remains that the MWS series draws great numbers of anglers from all over, and is growing each year. So I guess the formula works, eh? If I was Jim, I'd be hard pressed to change anything right now. Why should he? Because a few don't like the late entries? There is a late entry fee, although I do wish it was more. Perhaps make it $100, and donate half of that to the local WFT?
The best thing I like about this series is good people run it, and good people fish it. There's great competition, it's on Sunday, and it doesn't cost a ton to fish it. Fish it or not. Your choice. If you don't like the fact that locals are dominating, then either figure out how to beat them, find another series, or start your own. Seems to me there is a series for sale since last year. That series tried to fish lesser waters. Yup, that worked out real good. 17 boat fields with 1 fish caught. I wonder why they went under?
What hobby is that, Rich?
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| Reading all these post is a bad headache and ranks up with with drawing a amauter who knows it all and never shuts the hell up in the boat! |
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Location: Manitowoc, WI | The Great Ruffolo????? You must mean my son!!!! Have you met my son???? He IS great......my fishing partners who fish with him in practice call him "Chase Jr.".....:) |
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Location: Menasha | I heard a rumor that it is Jims last year running the MWS, is there any truth to the rumor?? |
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Location: Appleton | Loueye
I'm not sure how the rumor started but I intend to continue running the MWS Series as well as the other TFM Promotions tournaments in the future.
I also would like to THANK all the people that have made positive postings about either the MWS Series my staff or myself. Your support is appreciated.
Thaks Again
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| Ranger cup - 8/30/2006 8:18 AM
Reading all these post is a bad headache and ranks up with with drawing a amauter who knows it all and never shuts the hell up in the boat!
Way to add to the discussion, Cup. It's anon's like you that give us all headaches. You're probably one of the "Pro's" I drew prior to this year. If you don't like what you're reading, don't read it. It's that simple. Even you should be able to figure that out. |
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| In regards to the MWS and the schedule that Jim has set for the year, which was out quite sometime before the season ever started. I can understand the frustrastion one expierences when fishing on Bago against the locals because I myself have taken many beatings from them, but maybe we should use this as a learning expeirence and not an excuse fishing can be fun but at a tournament level it seldom ends up that way,forty mph winds sideways rain five foot waves beating your equipment locals entering late are all things that we all are challenged with. The only way I can see is to increase the late fee to detour it. As far as different locatoins I can only add that little bay was dropped at the request of many anglers because of the added expense, the payout does not justify the cost and then it is no longer fun but a burden if you choose to fish it as a point series. Just an opinion but one that has fished it for three years and one who understands the quality of the anglers in Wisconsin just check out the media guide for the FLW and count the guys from the badger state in the top ten
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| Same goes to you mr shep if you dont like what your reading it dont read it! Not sure why you too exception to it but that your problem! |
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| what do you even get for being team of the year? |
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| Hello to all and the many opinions offered.
My son and I are fishing the MWS. Having limited experience in tournament fishing, I am not an expert but can ad this to the discussions.
I am very glad this opportunity exists. My son and I have learned a great deal about fishing Winnebago and Green bay, not ever being on the two bodies prior to this year, it has all been a learning experience. This time spent with my son enjoying something we both love to do has been great.
I have not nor may not cash a check this year, but if we are expecting to make a living (or any money) fishing, don't we all have to very good in all types of lakes??
I will fish in Menominee, and hope to do well. I also will fish next year, God willing!!
So just to add a comment, the sharing of information is greatly limited among the participants. Allthough most of people I met are very friendly, most of the learning has been done with little help from others. So be it I guess, and fisherman that have more opportunities to fish certain lakes will probably do better than others. Also some locals probaly did not fair to well on Sunday.
So my humble opinion is seeing this as an opportunity to improve my talents, learn, and most of all enjoy the time out amongst some very good fisherman. Without this series I would still be wondering how these guys do so well. I just think they work at it hard, and use all the contacts they can to help. I also know that not very many in the circuit have offered much advice or insight, so learn as you go I guess must be pretty much the rule.
We are currently between 50th and 60th place overall. But I know that the difference between the mid 50's and the top 20 (or higher) is only 5 average fish out of three tournaments. Had we caught only a few more fish in the three days, we would move much higher in the ranks. I can not blame that on anything or anyone, or a body of water. Just my lack of skill or talent or even luck!!!
So this series comes across as pretty level to us, and we will cash a check sometime soon, maybe next year but we will. After all we have all had to fish in our first tournament or series, and this one seems to be a good choice to me.
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| good post PZ |
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| Well said, PZ. I like to remind myself after every tournament "Learn from it". It seems you have the right attitude, and your successes will likely come sooner rather than later because of it.
Good Luck next year. |
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| Ranger cup - 8/30/2006 4:29 PM
Same goes to you mr shep if you dont like what your reading it dont read it! Not sure why you too exception to it but that your problem!
Perhaps you can't get along with your amateur fishing partner because you are illiterate and fail to communicate or have a total lack of understanding of the English language or grammar.
Sorry everyone, but a response like that just needed a cheep shot response. Just remember, if you don't have anything constructive to say, then don't say anything at all.
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Location: Oshkosh, Wisconsin | You guys need to fish more. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | I'll try to be positive and informational at the same time.
I like the series and think it is run very well. I have fished the FLW league for the prior three years and think it compares very favorably to it. I also threw my 2 cents in when the schedule came out, saying the turn out for this tournament would be better than past events at Escanaba. I was pleased to see over 100 boats in this event. Keep up the good work Jim!!!
We finished up 11th and that moved us up to 2nd overall. I completely over estimated our weight, but the high water temps have these fish running in high gear.
We cranked a community spot on the east side just north of Brothtown. We had five in about seven passes. Most came on black and gold #5 shad raps. We left at 9am to find some bigger fish, but only pulled one short fish. The fish were definitely on the rocks and I should have pre-fish the NW on Saturday, instead of ruling out the upper lakes.
Hope to see everyone in Menominee!
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| I WAS A LATE ENTRY ...sat night ... didnt pre-fish..oh i perch fished with my daughter a little wed. walleyes wer tough for weeks . havent had time to fish tournys much the last few years. i miss the friends in the local cercuits for anyone arguing about not finishing in the money becaues of late entrys good luck . i figure with expenses and remind you i dint pre-fish i broke even and i just made the top ten.. if you pre-fish you need to make the top 5 to break even. the money isnt a reason to fish tournys . the winner of the tourny on bago dint have a fish in the box at 11;00 am ... this is a guy that is out on the system every day.. he is a great guy. and im thinkin that the money he had after the split with his partner might just pay for gas for his time on the water this month.. not easy to get ahead in tournys boys.. YES THE BITE WAS TUFFFF... CHASE THE POINTS MAKE SOME FREINDS AND DONT QUIT YOUR DAY JOB.. i wish i could have fished all 4 but i work saturdays and its hard to get away .. might see you on the bay this weekend. if i do ill be a late entry.. need some tips as i may not be out pre-fishin... Jim coon and staff ... outstanding job ,, great people.. |
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