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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | At the current time I find it impossible to discuss this with you as I have not seen the video in which you are referring to.
HOWEVER, If you believe that I do not understand what kills walleyes,I.E.... referring to your statement that asks me if I had any more questions, well Rod, I think you have stepped over a line this time. Don't sit back and try to belittle me. You know damn well who I am and what I know. God knows it will never be as much as you, but I guess I know a fair amount. I will not argue tournament mortality with you. |
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| NBC26, one really shouldn't have to say anymore.
Personally I find NBC26 to be the worst news reporting station in the GB/Fox Valley area. They are the epitome of "dirty laundry" news storys.
With that said, I'd really like to see the video to get the real story and see how that reflects upon the Sheboygan Walleye Club.
Tyee, I've always sensed an anti-tournament sentiment in many of your posts regarding tournament fishing. Frankly it stinks, it stinks much like Rick Larson participating in tournaments and then stitting back and bad mouthing them.
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| Sorry Stacker I didn't mean to insult your inteligence, I brought it up for discussion ONLY not to insult or bash tournaments and what people here already know. The intention was to make sure everyone in the tournament world (myself included) would know about it so things could be done to help prevent it in the future. PERIOD.
Jayman, I am not anti-tournament and if you read that into my posts my writings are being misunderstood. I am however very much in favor of improving the sociological effect it has on a vast portion of the fishing community. We all know about the economic bennefits and the impact on the fishery. The Bass guys were all over this story and are defending themselves, I have yet to read anything anywhere about what could be done in the future to defend ourselves of these types of situations, my suggestion was catch and kill in warm water months, I'd like to know what you guys think? Sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way but even one 6 pounder floating after a tournament is WRONG and I will stand by that position.
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Location: Rhinelander | I don't think Tyee is 'anti tournament', he's just looking to see if there's a way or alot of ways to make them more palatable for those who are on the bubble or don't understand the tournament processes and stats.
Everyone has a vested interest in one way or another, so disagreement is going to be a feature in this discussion or any like it.
Mortality rates vary due to so many factors it's impossible to say EXACTLY what any one event might see. The entire debate last winter including the public testimony hearings with the folks from the DNR responding to the unfunded mandate from the legislature and the Jet Ski crowd was very informative. Bottom line is the actual biological impact of competitive fishing on Wisconsin waters is negligible to zero according to the folks who look at that stuff for a living.
So it's a matter of PR......
One way to loook at it...ANY fish that dies after release would have died FOR CERTAIN if it was a kill event. Many more released fish make it, but those the public doesn't see until THEY re-catch them and harvest the fish for sure. |
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| Shep - 8/16/2007 12:46 PM
I'm not sure, but I thought there was a pontoon boat with a tank to take the fish out of the river. I do know the river was a lot warmer than the waters out in the bay. I thought I saw like 8 degrees higher. If the fish were released in the river, that certainly could further stress those fish.
Anybody care to respond on if there was a pontoon boat used to transport the fish? I just didn't pay much attention to it.
Any weigh in in a river, when the fish are brought from the cooler bay, should have the means to get these fish back out in the cooler water of the bay. Not just dump them back in the river. I don't know where these fish were released, so I can't comment beyond that. I will give Chris G a call, and see if he will respond to this thread.
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | shep makes the point... its pretty simple ., though the river chanel is deep it is not cool.. you had a pile of warm water filling that river chanel from inland ... i know its nice to bring fish into a proteced river system or harbor for weigh in but it doesnt work when its july or august , stage the boats on the bay, i have a great well system in my boat , my fish most always are strong and spunky out of my well... then when put in a holding tank drawing water out of the warmer river or channel of a harbor that averages 4ft depth.. there will be a problem ,,, i always turn off my pumps and turn on my recurculation before i enter the water temp change.. soon enough we wont need a live well it will be all catch and kill at this rate ... all in all i think it was a good year.. there were very few problems with fish being lost... in 07 we dont want to get too wound up but we all want to try and minimize any problems or bad press... i dont know of a tournament angler or member of an organization related to tournament angling that doesnt do there best to take care of our resource and fish... i think when in doubt a fish should be put on ice and used for the table somewhere needy.. or after spending the money that i do fishing any one of these events big or small, i would love to keep my fish... as far as tournament anglers hitting town and taking advantage of the local resource for there benifit only ,, sit and spin... get a clue ,, you have the local and state government spending millions on bike trails and river walks , museums and harbors...tiffs for community development to draw in the $ ,,, why does everyone over look the guy pulling in with 14- 21 foot boat... taken for granted i guess. just because i have a hooded sweatshirt and jeans on doesnt mean my pockets dont leave a little lighter than when id drove up.. as far as the news coverage, the less they are involved the better... until tournaments start handing out a million dollars for first place dont expect thousands of fans.. that doesnt mean thousands arent following or reading about the event , as you can see there are plenty of us who cant get enough info good or bad for better or worse on walleye fishin.. thus somethimes the pot gets a bit stirred , by some once in a wile. |
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| Tyee, perhaps I am mis-reading your posts. I know you've fished a couple events, so you can see why I'd be compelled to call it out. Perhaps our standards are a bit different.
Since the subject is dead fish, perhaps all of Green Bay, especially the northern 2/3rds, should be closed or catch and kill? many of these fish are caught fairly deep 20-40' and sometimes even deeper. The water is much cooler at that depth and these big fish struggle once they hit the warm surface water along with the pressures on thier swim bladder. Every year I see a walleye or two floating this time of year on the central parts of Green bay, by some angler who was attempting to practice catch and release. While his behavior in my opinion should be applauded, others would complain.
Perhaps for another subject, but having seen many of the door county walleyes and knowing how much "work" they need to revived to be immediately released, it's no surprise that their are a few dead fish in a tourney. I wonder how many others spend as much time reviveing thier fish when just prefishing?
Now throw in the fact that when the bay gets a bit rough the bite gets better and there is gonna be that many more fish caught, and transported for a "long" ride. I say long compared to the short runs of an inland body of water. They get beat up some more in an already stressed environment. Yes, a few more dead fish.
Jealousy and negativity run deep in humans, especially some of those that fish. Surely if there is one or two dead fish, it'll be exaggerated into 10's and if it's 10's of dead fish it'll be exaggerated into 1000's of dead fish and that it was caused by this "______" group. It happens every year on 'Bago around June blameing tourneys. So what? is it a waste of natural resources? No, eat 'em. They taste good. Life goes on, there'll be more (that's why it is called a natural resource).
If the population was seriously in jepordy, Why would the DNR raise the daily limit from 3 to 5 fish? |
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| Jealousy like stacker, Bradley and Jayman....3 who like to force there own opinons on others. |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | 3 musketeers - 8/20/2007 5:18 PM
Jealousy like stacker, Bradley and Jayman....3 who like to force there own opinons on others.
Hahahahahaahahahahahahhhahahahahaa |
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Location: Rhinelander | Stating one's opinion is not 'forcing' it on anyone. If one doesn't say what one thinks and state an opinion, one has none. |
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Location: Potter, WI. | I fished the tournament. We went 35 miles one way. long rough ride. we did everything we could to keep these girls alive. Hard to do in hot, rough conditions and pulling these fish out of 20-30 fow. I would favor a kill tourney in these conditions. Not my call. It's totally up to directors to do the best they can to release live fish. There are a lot more fish put under the knife then die in a tournament. As Stacker said we didn't see the video. Or most of us didn't. I believe the SWC did the best they could to determine if these fish were able to survive or not. A kill tournament wouldn't hurt this resource as many of you know the bay and bago have a healthy population of fish. I believe and I think most others will agree only small percentage of these fish have ever been tapped. Just my opinion. |
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Location: Potter, WI. | What I meant is on the bay more so then bago as untapped. Bago still has some secrets.... |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | 3 musketeers - 8/20/2007 5:18 PM
Jealousy like stacker, Bradley and Jayman....3 who like to force there own opinons on others.
Also, most powerfull anon, tell me this, where is there jealousy in this thread? Boy, I guess you ...... |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | 3 musketeers - 8/20/2007 5:18 PM
Jealousy like stacker, Bradley and Jayman....3 who like to force there own opinons on others. DARN SKIPPY IM JEALOUS,,,, Until now ! i finaly got my name mentioned on the internet ,, and am in a new CLICK too, sweet.. oh i guess im still a little jealous , my buddy calls me every morning from the lake to remind me im jealous, some often wonder who psssst on my cornflakes? well its my retired buddy sitting out on bago calling me with a fishing report , ya im jealous... oh well. sorry if i erk people sometimes , ALL FOR ONE, AND ONE FOR ALL! !!!!!!!!!!! was that the musketeers? or robin hood? oh who cares anyway , go packers. |
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| Bradley, you haven't passed initiation yet 
"Jealousy and negativity run deep in humans, especially some of those that fish." My OPINION is: 3musketeers just made this a fact. |
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| Now I'm jealous. I thought I was the leader of the force your opinion group! I don't even get a whiff here! |
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Location: Fremont, Wisconsin | A Whiff, hahahahaahahahaahahaa thats funny. |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | im still missing something yet. this is going over my head? what do we three muskies stand for again? do we have an agenda? i may want out of this little men osha twa. what did i sign up here for? initiation? what kind of initiation? am i gonna end up selling flowers at the air port? |
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| am i gonna end up selling flowers at the air port?
Now there's a novel idea, except you could sell 'em at the boat ramp. part of the "Force Our Positive Opinion Down Your Throat Clan". hahaha |
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