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| when washing down your boat and trailer can this bleach solution be mixed in a hand held lawn pump up fertiliser jug / 3 gallon size and sprayed on with good results? what about leeches? they are in water. |
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Location: Waukesha Wisconsin | Here is a finished Flyer that I have put together with help from Purple Skeeter concerning what you can do to prevent the spread of VHS and other exotics. It's a two sided document.
I urge you to print it out and keep a copy in your boat. If any of you have access to cheap printing PLEASE make back to back copies and distribute at boat landings and bait shops, friends, enemies, etc.
We can all do a small part.
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | anyone have a good deal on an ice machine ... i think there is going to be a shortage. between a freind and i we have been on the lake pretty much all week and all walleyes & saugers caught were happy and healthy . havent seen a dead one yet.. not have i seen a dead fish that wasnt dead for a long time already... lets hope we have seen the worst already.. i go off of the east shore. |
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Location: Menasha, WI | Nice work Dennis and Dominic. That's well designed and it'll be useful in spreading the word to slow the spread of VHS adn other invasives. There's one question not addressed on your flyer that I've had and have seen asked by others but have yet to see an answer; If we catch a fish that looks to be infected, can/should we release the fish? Or, are we supposed we keep them then turn them in or destroy them? Has anyone heard the DNR speak to this issue? |
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Location: Greenville Wi | And will the fish for the DNR be counted towards daily bag limit? |
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| I just spoke with a biologist from the Madison DNR office and he said now that they have confirmed the presence of VHS that they will no longer be testing any additional Walleye or Sheephead from Winnebago. He did say that they would run a test if anyone runs across a Musky or Sturgeon to confirm the presence of VHS in those species. He advised all fishermen to dispose of any suspect fish with burial of the suspected fish the best way. In his opinion, it would be best not to allow a gull or other birds to eat the infected fish. He also said in his opinion, it would be up to the Warden and that the State has not taken a position on whether or not it would be part of your bag limit... because I was the first one to ask that question. I'm waiting for an answer from Amy the DNR Warden that covers Northern Winnebago. Purple Skeeter
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| Thanks PS and Dennis, I printed out a hundred to hand out at the locks opening tomorrow!
Sounds like the govenor has decided NOT to participate!
Good Luck
Tyee
Edited by tyee 5/18/2007 9:29 PM
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Location: Oshkosh, WI | I would welcome the opportunity to explain to a judge why I possessed diseased fish over my bag limit. If the number of diseased fish in the system is small enough and removing those with obvious disease reduces the spread of the virus, it should be done. If the science supports it, I bet that the rules will allow it.
We have the fishery we have in large part because of environmental regulation and management, educational efforts and enforcement. So many fisherman practice C/R because they were educated by the fisheries folks - a bunch of guys in a bar or a boat didn't come up with it. Lots of good people and organizations have worked in partnership with the DNR to improve spawning habitat as well. It has been about a week and the DNR has already taken reasonable action. I am sure they will try to be judicious because they will get jumped on if they have to retract or modify something.
Science guides us best when there is lots of data to consider - this is a brand new set of circumstances for VHS. So any predictions or decisions will have much gray area. In otherwords if your best prediction is that the answer (to whatever the question is) is 20 - in this circumstance the actual outome could range from 5 to 50. When one has a great deal of data from similar circumstances (or better yet labratory experiements) to predict from - the actual answer would likely be between 19 and 21. If you apply this to VHS in the Winnebago system we are the experiment - even the best scientific guidance may be fuzzy, couched in uncertainty or wrong.
So I think we all need to keep getting educated, asking questions and breathing deep. btw, I don't work for the DNR, epa etc.
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Location: Appleton wi | More about the media craze and finger pionting! Last night on news again they showed many dead fish along shore line during the reporting giving the public the impression that all dead fish along the shore line are part of this vhs. Also i would like to comment if your a guide in this area dont be go out telling all your friends and customers that tournament fisherman spread this disease. I am hearing this in appleton/ new london area from friends who live around here.I hope this all passes without any great impact on our great fisherie. |
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Location: in the boat off the east shore somewhere | i was out last night ... there was a 2 boats on trailers at the launch and the guys were bickering back and forth .. one has a bottle of bleach the other just a cooler of ice for his fish .. they were walking around there boats trying to figure out what they were sposta do.... the guy with the bleach was pissed that the other guy didnt bleach his boat.. and neither one wanted to dump there leaches out... so i walk over.. trying to settle these guys down... i baught 2 dozen leaches for a buck.... then i told they guy with the bleach that his carpet in is boat was wet from the waves he took over the bow and asked him if he is going to bleach his nice new carpet in his nice new boat .. they both look at me , now i thaught he had vhs ,, his eyes bulged out and face was red and blachi. .. then they talked a bit i said those bunk pads will hold water for a week or two... and im sure there is water in your trailer brakes... .. so after a liitle longer we all decided to clean the best we can and drain water the best we can .. turns out all three of us havent had our boat anywhere else but lake winnibago all year. and didnt have anything planned inland of that anyway.... put up flyers all you like , scrub and clean , the best you can , but its too late... oh and all the fish i caught were in great shape and are going in my tummy today... |
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| Until they require each boater to bleach their boat at the landing before they leave, we all need to take a deep breath and monitor our own activities before we start telling people at the boat launch what to do... you can do a much more complete job at home. If a person only fishes Bago, why should they clean their boat at all? Imagine what effect all that bleach will have on the surrondings at the boat launches? It won't take long before the Counties and Cities ban the use of bleach at the landings. Go back a month and pretend you are at the launch cleaning your boat with a gallon of bleach sitting on the deck... how many Wardens/County officials are going to stop you and ask you why are you using such a toxic chemical near the water? Bleach is a real fish killer if it gets in the water in higher concentrations... Just ask anyone who lives in Hawiaa, the locals throw a cup of bleach into the tide pools at low tide which kills everything in the pool... so I ask this question, where are you supposed to "wash your boat" and not rinse any Bleach into the system... Bleach kills everything it comes in contact with including any form of green plant. Someone with more chemical knowhow or common sense should provide us with a guideline on how to dispose/dilute the bleach/water product after we are done cleaning our boats "everytime we use them" and is it necessary to "clean your boat" if your boat will only be use in the Winnebago system. Is there another substance that is environmentally friendly that will kill the virus? Purple Skeeter |
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Location: Appleton wi | Am I the only one who reads it they request you bleach your live well and boat only if your going to a different body of water after being on the bago system? |
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Location: Oshkosh, WI | I copied the text below from the dnr website - I don't see the mention of bleach anywhere.
New requirements for anglers and boaters to keep fish healthy
Emergency rules effect April 2007 and amended May 17 require that boaters, anglers and other recreational users:
Drain all water from your boat, trailer, bait buckets, coolers, and other containers before you leave the landing or shore fishing site location on Lake Michigan, Lake Superior, the Mississippi River, the Lake Winnebago System or their tributaries up to the first dam.
Do not take live fish, including bait fish, away from any Great Lakes, Lake Winnebago or Mississippi River drainage landing or shore fishing location. This includes tributaries up to the first dam.
Do not use "cut" or dead bait from other waters (except when fishing in Lake Michigan, Green Bay, Lake Winnebago, or tributaries).
Do not use minnows unless they were purchased from a Wisconsin bait dealer or you caught the minnows from the place you are fishing.
Draining all water from boats and boating and fishing equipment is strongly recommended after boating or fishing on all Wisconsin waters, as is inspecting your boat and trailer and removing all visible plants and animals. These steps will also help prevent the spread of other diseases and invasive species.
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| Was at the opening of the locks and I would say the crowd could have been about 50/50. It was a nice peacefull position taken by all those in favor of keeping the locks closed. There will be a good shot of a nice 30+" dead musky that was at the lock opening on the news tonight. Channel 26 got it for sure but all news stations were there. I was surprised they didn't remove all those fish before the event, although I am sure those that perished were not uncommon for this time of year but it didn't look good for them.
A good turnout from many invasive environmental groups as well as Walleyes for tomorrow, Sturgeon for tomorrow and others.
There was a comical situation when one boater reached over to another boater to grab a camera and take a picture and he fell in the lock. But overall it was peacefull. The organizers of the event (can't remember her name) said we have a serious problem and they really want to sit down with all the groups to discuss this further, including the fishermen, scientists and others.
An interesting fact I did not know was that the amount of water displaced at that lock has to be monitored by the lock above as it has that great an effect on the lake level on LLBDM. NOW THAT IS A LOT OF WATER BEING MOVED back and forth.
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| Straight from the WI DNR... Until the Natural Resources Board considers expanding the requirement later this week, Staggs urges boaters and anglers on all Wisconsin lakes and waters to take those steps that will help prevent the spread of VHS to more waters. - Do not move live fish (including unused bait minnows) away from the landing or shore.
- Drain all water from bilges, bait buckets, live wells and other containers when leaving the landing or shore.
- Use live minnows purchased only from registered bait dealers in Wisconsin or catch it yourself in the same water you fish.
- Before launching and before leaving for the day, inspect your boat and trailer and clean both of all visible plants and animals.
In addition, Staggs urges people who have been boating on the Winnebago System to disinfect their boats and boating and fishing gear before moving to new waters by mixing 1/3 cup of bleach with 5 gallons of water. Apply the solution to the hull, trailer, live well, bilge and any other areas or things that may hold water or moisture. Leave the solution in contact with these areas for at least 5 minutes before rinsing off. Do not rinse the bleach solution into lakes or rivers. PDF Attachment from 2007 WDNR Fishing report Purple Skeeter
Edited by Purple Skeeter 5/19/2007 8:13 PM
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Location: Forest Lake, MN | Wonder if people should start carrying a garbage bag to put suspect fish in.
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Location: Neenah, WI | I fished the North Shore tourney yesterday and missed the turnout at the lock. The fish we and others caught appeared healthy and lively. I didn't see any floaters on the lake except for a few sheephead that were long dead. VHS? I don't know if that's what killed them. In general, I support a lot of the decisions made by the DNR on conservation issues. In the case of reopening the locks I do not. They reopened the lock at Menasha, reasoning that the Virus is already in Winnebago so what the hay. That's like people who are sick with HIV having unprotected sex. Research on VHS is still in its infancy and we should be taking all these precautions. That includes keeping that lock closed.
I've got mixed feelings on this whole thing. I don't want to run around like Chicken Little and yell that the sky is falling. but I don't want to ignore it either. VHS is the focus for now but there are a lot more exotics in the Great Lakes to worry about too. I just hope the DNR shows some guts.
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Location: Oshkosh, WI | Here is the letter I sent to the Governor about opening the locks. Feel free to use any part of it - particularly the "lifelong Democrat" line 
Go to this page to send the Governor a message: http://www.wisgov.state.wi.us/contact.asp
Governor Doyle,
I am a life long Deomocrat and I believe you are making a grave mistake environmentally, economically and politically by supporting the opening of the locks between Green Bay and Lake Winnebago.
Environmentally. There are invasive species in Lake Michigan that could further devastate the most important inland water system in Wisconsin. Alewife, sea lamprey, round goby, white perch and spiny water flea could and probably will breech this lock system.
Economically. The paltry $75 million in predicted economic impact pales in comparison to the $300 million we already receive from sport fishing in the Lake Winnebago system.
Politically. Only the most politically tone deaf could miss the converging political factors beginning to harmonize on this issue. VHS. VHS is a big deal, it will affect sport fishing and quality of life for years as it spreads through our inland water system. VHS is visual - the media will have great pictures of fish kills to voice over when talking about your choice not to protect our inland water system from other invasive species. People are blaming the DNR for VHS - there is really no basis for this, but there will be a basis for blaming you if you support the opening of the locks and they are breeched by an invasive species. Voters. Are the "Friends of the Fox" friends of Democrats or are working class sport fishers? Have your staff do the demographics.
Environmentally, economincally and politically opening the Fox Locks should be a political non starter. You can still stand up and assume the mantle of a politician willing to change course when the people, changing circumstances and new science converge. Oppose the opening of the Fox Locks. |
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| I was just sitting here thinking of a good way to disinfect my boat and equipment and my wife came up with an excellent idea, I am going to mix up my bleach/water solution and put it in a spray bottle, this will be a good way to disinfect the livewell and the hull, just spray a mist on everything and rinse it off when I get home. This will be a good way to avoid spilling bleach all over the place. Just an idea I thought I'd pass on. |
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Location: Orland Park, IL | Kinda hit home this weekend. Neighbor told me he got one such fish this weekend off calumet reef. The fish we caught were fine. Beefy too. Not many dinks.
The tourism dollars lost will be huge. |
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| Here are some photos from the opening of the locks on Saturday, Note the 30+" Musky below the locks.
Good Luck
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| Gents,
Anyone know why in the "Emergency Rules" they have not included boats equipped with I/O engines. Or maybe they have and I missed it?
Last I checked most of those boats hold significance amounts of water in the motor that is purged when the motor is run.
So lets say a runabout with a mercruiser is on Bago for the day. He pulls out at the end of the day and his motor is now holding about 3 gals of Bago water in its cooling system. Now the next day he decides to trailer up to Shawano and go boating. When he dumps in and fires up the motor it now exchanges that 3 gal of Bago water for Shawano water.
Am I off base or was there something I miseed in the rules about purging your I/O?
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